Attack on Iran - IMMINENT!

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oh simply because i didnt think it was true that the warmongers stayed away because skip had started it - I just think the thread had turned into an arse kissing festival - and wanted to inject a bit if Kick-arse rock and roll back into the debate - rather than the Britney Spears kiss-arse-pop it had become

 

for once i have to aggree with rat almost 100%. my one caveat being that what he calls the elite i would call conscousless economic interests. to simply call such interests elite implies that there are individual awairnessess making conscous decisions. it also ignores what these intrests are. and no i don't believe they are zionists. if anything they have more in common, in spirit at least, with those nuts who used to live in idaho, except these happen to have been born with silver spoons and in board rooms.

corporatocracy is a self serving doomsday machine. running on automatic. with no visible off switch and no one, or several, sentiently in charge.

although i don't believe hope ever completely dies. just a whole lot of people seem to before anything gets turned arrround.

in the longer view though, mindlessly destructive forces at some point consume their means of existence. that isn't going to prevent them from doing more harm in the short term of course.

and a formalization of the already existing invasion of iran is not improbable.
may even hinge on outcome of current military appropriations legislation working its way through congress. which the likely hood of its being defeated is, well, the odds aren't impossible against its being defeated, but they don't look to be entirely in favor of it either.

and iran HAS problems, just as iraq did, problems more likely to be exerbated, or simply pushed to the side and ignored by military action, just as they were in iraq as well.

the question that needs to be asked is what the heck is really going on here. oil is a pretty one word answer. but it is a far too simple one to be entirely believed as the whole answer.

rather this is more closely a reflection of how works so called neoconservatism, that has also been called neolibralism and even neofascism, but so much for names, plays that game. the game of make people forget the whole thing isn't needed by making enimies, and better yet, get to fighting on enough fronts as to make the economy colapse to make an excuse for brute force to take over completely (in the u.s., a u.s. also aspiring to world dictatorship, so that either way, the corporatocracy comes out on top and the people, all the people, and every other living thing on the planet, ultimately, looses).

i still haven't figgured out what these people think the're going to breathe if they get their way, everything having to kiss their pockets to exist, and then the entire web of life colapsing because it doesn't, so it becomes no longer there to put oxygen into the air for them to breathe.

you know this is why i don't and can't see the currency cycle trumping the natural atmosphere/web of life cycle as any kind of real science.

yes i've broadened that way beyond the specific focus of this thread, but i do feal that broader context is pertinent to everything that is going on. even if, as appears to be the case, the motivations behind what is going on, remain, as they have so far, in denial of it.

in the big picture there ARE other movements and tendencies going on. nothing is ever all any one way. but in the short term, yes the iran thing looks extremely probable.

(my inclination is to never take an undesirable inevitability at face value, just make damd sure to make allowances for its likelyhood).

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Why do you and others on this website assume that I think we're dealing with some "Jewish" conspiracy? These are words that have been put into my mouth by others on this site, often in an attempt to discredit me or make me look bad. There is no better way to attempt discrediting those exposing the truth than by slapping the "anti-Semite" label on them. I always warn people that those who pick one particular group to cast blame on usually have an agenda, or are simply misinformed. The zionists (or "Jews") in no way represent the top of the pyramid. They are just one group among many being controlled from the top to forward the agenda of the Elites. Those behind the scenes have their front groups to carry out their plan, they never carry it out themselves. Everyone wants to pick one person or group to cast all the blame on, which certainly isn't going to bring people any closer to the truth. It's the same thing with those who attack the Republican party while praising the Democratic party, not understanding that both parties are controlled by the same few at the top.

 

I've noticed alot of people attatching the "jewish conspiracy" label to PR as well.............just because you don't understand/don't agree with something is no reason to make drastic assumptions to discredit someone. To be honest it's really beginning to piss me off, especially coming from Skip....I guess I was naieve enough to think Skip DID think out of the box......Skip before you flame me I don't hold you personally responsible for your comments because I feel that cultural indoctrination causes sheeple (profane) to automatically throw around the Jewish conspiracy card whenever elitist agenda is discussed....

 

Skip your blatantly wrong....do some research.

 

I should have elaborated on that last post, the conspiracy your referring to only scratches the surface and has nothing to do with what PR is talking about, zionism is a tiny little facet of a much broader agenda. The elitists at the top are NOT Jewish and religions are passed down to the profane to keep them entertained, nobody knows for sure the religion those at the very top actually practice but it is believed to be a form of ancient Canaanite religion...it's a very very complex discussion and honestly I don't know how to explain it all to you, Skip I believe your a very intelligent guy and I do have respect for you, it's not a crackpot conspiracy theory (ala zionism/david icke/reptilian, whatever) and this is what comes to mind when most profane think of the "conspiracy" surrounding the elitist agenda/freemasonry/illuminati, that bullshit has nothing to do with the top of the pyramid.

 

Bear with me, i'm really trying to get the theory across to you but admittedly i'm not the best at putting the entire idea into words. The conspiracy goes back thousands of years, and involves the same bloodlines working towards an ultimate goal of power. It is believed that all religion was developed by these same bloodlines as a way to shield the profane from true enlightenment, zionism/christianity/islam are all closely aligned with the same basic guidelines for this reason, it is simply a method of dividing and conquering. So you see, to identify only one segment as the root of the cause is just another way to divert the profane from the truth.

 

I don't really know anything about any conspiracies of Christians, Jews or whomever, but I do believe religion and U.S. involvement has doomed the Middle East.

I just can't believe it has lasted this long. Here in 2007, we have an evangelical government who believes in "the Last Days" and "Armageddon" and all that fairy tale quackenshit.

If we could just get rid of religion then most people could live peacefully.

There are many secular Jews and Arabs (many that I know personally) that get along QUITE NICELY. It's just when you toss in a bunch of screwy spooky religious crap that the heads start rolling (literally).

 

Van Duyn, Collins, Llewellyn.....those are a couple of the modern families close to the top that I know of, however to my knowledge nobody truly knows who is at the VERY top......their are still people above those families but admittedly I don't know who they are.....

 

Skip my only point was to try and explain that what Pressed Rat believes in is not a "Jewish Conspiracy" I did not set out to make you a believer, it's completely impossible for me to put years of research into an easy to understand summary on a forum. It is alot more in depth then you give it credit for, however I do not have the time or patience to explain it to you because quite simply you are going to believe what you want and unless you take the initiative to do the research yourself you will never understand.

 

Skip, you say that zionism is the same thing as Judaism. It's not. Zionism is a POLITICAL movement. You don't have to be a Jew to be a zionist, and many zionists are not Jews. A zionist is anyone who supports the state of Israel. There are many Jews who are NOT zionists as they are opposed to the state of Israel and its motives. There are many so-called "Christians" who are zionists, hence what they call Christian-zionists.

 

As far as religion, the Elite at the top have their own religion. They do not embrace the religions that were given to the masses with the intent of controlling them. Bush talks to "God," but what god? What "god" does Bush pray to when he's at Bohemian Grove wearing hooded KKK-like robes and partaking in mock human sacrifice in front of a 50-foot stone owl? What god did Bush pray to when he was in the tomb at Skull & Bones? Please enlighten me.

There is a difference between the image that politicians are given for when speaking to the public, and what they truly are behind closed doors. Everything about Bush is fake. His accent is fake. His swagger is fake. Everything about him is fake. The guy is a blue-blooded elitst who grew up in Connecticut, yet gullible people believe the image that was created for Bush when he ran for office as being genuine. They believe Bush is some Christian cowboy, when that's nothing more than a front that was created for him by people like Karl Rove, and you're buying it! Stop falling for facades!

But yes, religion is definitely behind this. You have an esoteric religion at the top that the Elites practice, then you have the exoteric religions for the dumbed-down masses, which are used for control and divide and conquer purposes. Religions have been used and manipulated by those at the top for thousands of years to create conflict and war.

We are dealing with ancient bloodlines that go back to Sumer and Babylon. Back then the elites used priesthoods to control the masses. With the power they had, they withheld knowledge and science from the masses, which was in turn used to control and enslave them. The masses instead were given religion to follow, to keep them in line and subservient to the priesthood. It was these international priesthoods that created ALL the religions that are practiced today, which all derive from the same origins. That's why the religions are so much alike in many ways.

 

You want names? I am sure you've heard of the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, Skip. Look at who owns the Federal Reserve, Skip. Of course they never told us the names of the 13 families who own the federal reserve -- which is a private corporation and NOT a government institution -- but we have some idea of the names of the people who own it. It's the same families who were behind every major war of the past 100 years, who always control BOTH sides to create their synthesis. None of this is conspriacy theory, Skip.

If you want to continue believing Bush is running the show, when he probably cannot even tie his own shoe, be my guest.