Atheists- What do you believe in?

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by myself, Mar 27, 2007.

  1. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    God is also his name. In polytheism, when you are talking about more than one god, you lowercase the g, because god is just a rank of sorts. In monotheism, you would say God, because there is only one, so you must be talking about a particular subject.

    Same way you capitalize the 'H' in His.

    For example: Christians believe that you should follow His word.

    Or

    The king isn't happy with His army.

    Something like that.


    I believe that you continue to exist afterwards, but I'm not sure if you remain conscious.
     
  2. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Why Satanist rather than atheist or agnostic?
     
  3. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Satanism is pretty much the belief that you are your own God. You're pretty much the center of the world and you matter the most. If doing good deeds pays off, they'll do it.

    They don't necessarily cause mayhem, either.

    Satanism is about being self serving to your own needs.

    Might be wrong, though.
     
  4. MrStiffy

    MrStiffy Member

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    Call me crazy, but wouldn't Satanism be the belief and worship of Satan?

    Sounds to me like you're more of an Objectivist. Look up Objectivism and Ayn Rand.
     
  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Satanism, objectivism--six of one, half dozen of the other. Both offer more of what the world has too much of: Uncaring self-absorption. Of course, there are some differences. Satanism is a religion, and has rituals. Worshipers get to dance around naked in the woods. Objectivism is a philosophy, and far less fun. Adherents get to attend seminars, read Reason magazine and listen to know-it-alls flaunt their imagined intellectual superiority. But if you're an objectivist you have a shot at becoming Chair of the Federal Reserve Bank someday, if the Republicans are in power. An avowed Satanist wouldn't have a snowball's chance. But hey, it's a free country;knock yourself out!
     
  6. MrStiffy

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    LOL Maybe Satanism has its merits ;)

    I'm not into Objectivism either. It looks good on the surface, but once you start talking to them you realize they they're not making any sense.
     
  7. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Zep

    Sounds a lot like corporate ethics.

    Occam
     
  8. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Why are people atheists? Since I'm not one, it may be presumptuous to comment, but by doing so, I may piss enough people off to stimulate some discussion. From your posts I can identify at least three reasons: (1) the belief that religion is stifling; (2) the belief that religion is dangerous; (3) the belief that science and secular humanism do it better. The idea that religion is stifling is the main theme of Nietzche's writings and his "God is Dead" thesis. The notion that religion is dangerous is central to Harris' The End of Faith, which blames religion for 911. The belief that science and secular humanism produce better results and that religion is therefore unnecessary is brought by Dawkins, and also by Dennett. Are there other reasons I'm leaving out? In answer to these objections, I'd argue that religion is not necessarily stifling, nor dangerous, nor incompatible with science and humanism, but that the prevailing fundamentalist forms of it are, especially the Christian religious right and militant Islam. And the prevailing liberal/progressive alternatives are in danger of becoming too abstract,bland, sophisticated, and ridiculous to be effective as antidotes.
     
  9. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Nietzsches "God is dead" thesis?!

    You could read Zarathustra.

    Religion is boring. It is dangerous, but not in an exciting way.

    To ask why people are atheists is fair enough. I don't believe in god. Higher states of consciousness are possible. I look at the people who believe in god and I see that on the whole they fear those who love creating themselves. The religious are not as vital as the godless.
     
  10. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    WOW, what an absolutely oxymoronic delusional egomaniacle clueless post!!!

    I just love it when creationists prove how detached from reality their heads really are!!

    What a blast! Imagine, a creationist of all people telling an atheist to come to terms with mortality! This is hilarious!!

    I can only hope and 'pray' that my final days see me so blasted out of my mind on valium and morphine that I can accept such absolute NONSENSE as truth in one last desperate and delusional attempt to cling to some sort of eternal consciousness as I fade away on my death bed.

    At least in the mean time I won't be spoiling the earth with my destructive religious ignorance's.
     
  11. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Relax

    LOL

    Occam
     
  12. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Nik

    If we waited till we did that we would still be grubbing for tubers in the
    dirt of africa.
    Science, with philosophy and art. Making sense of life, the universe, is how we will make sense of death.
    Your statement is like saying.
    I wont learn anything untill i know how the sun works, without learning how to learn how it works.

    10 thousand years after we grubbed for tubers.
    We still dont know what gravity is
    what magnetism is
    what space is
    what time is

    but we do know just a little about how the sun works
    10 thousand years from now, we MAY know if death is a full stop.
    or a comma,

    Occam
     
  13. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Occam says

    In some ways atheists are braver than theists.

    The only crutch they have to lean on is themselves and humanity.
    Yet still they continue.
    Faith in us is what they, and occam, is all about.

    What does god have to do with nuclear waste? Nothing
    What does god have to do with our beauracratic despotism. Nothing.
    What does god have to do with good and evil. Nothing.

    'God' Made the rules. Not the actions.
    Existance IS
    Heavens and hells are the subjective dream of the tortured.
    How many have died for refuting anothers dream?
    10% of humanity?

    "Two things are infinite. Human stupidity and the universe.
    And i'm not to sure about the universe"
    A Einstein

    Occam
     
  14. squawkers7

    squawkers7 radical rebel

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    Madalyn Murray (later O'Hair), wrote a document used in the court case Murray v. Curlett, 1961-APR-27. It reads, in part:

    "An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist knows that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth - for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist thinks that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue, and enjoy it. An Atheist thinks that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment. Therefore, he seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to know a god. An Atheist knows that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist knows that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man. He wants an ethical way of life. He knows that we cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer nor hope for an end to troubles in the hereafter. He knows that we are our brother's keeper and keepers of our lives; that we are responsible persons, that the job is here and the time is now."
     
  15. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Squarkers

    Exactly.. And how are we able to do that. What set the stage.?

    No a god of religion.

    But still something set the stage. Maybe we are an ant farm?
    All glass and dirt.
    It doesnt have to come from nothing. It can be made. Like we make
    a light water reactor.

    Who made the glass and collected the dirt?

    Unless you believe it all 'just happened'. Randomly.
    Yeh..
    Beethoven and Breugel and Yeats.Popper and socrates and Einstein.
    Just random stuff. that just happened for no reason.

    Pachabels Cannon just came about... after only 300 years of randomness.
    Thats a 1,000,000 trillion to one odds situation.

    Randomness is a dead end in human thought on reality..grow up.

    Occam
     
  16. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Chance is a dead end in human thought? Speak for yourself! No matter what you believe, everything has 'just happened', and goes on happening. What is the question of a first cause to your reason itself?
     
  17. Razorofoccam

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    Dejavu

    The laws were 'emplaced'.
    In a facet of reality called 'the sidereal universe'.
    Yes things just happened, but they happened to laws.
    Gravity is inverse square,, planks constant, 2nd law of entropy.
    That means they were NOT random. Thou much chance was involved.
    That 'chance' combined with 'meta'law is called evolution.

    The 'meta'law calls for greater organisation within framework of 2nd law of entropy.
    Thus my 'reason' IS.

    While such as planks and gravity result in 'singularities'
    But also a stable stage for us to 'quote the bard'
    Strut our hour appon the stage, all sound and fury signifying nothing'.

    But sometimes we get an einstein
    And everything changes

    Occam
     
  18. Hypocrit

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    I still consider myself an athiest.

    I beleive very strongly in the subconcious and Jungian universals that connect us all. I believe in love, truth, and magic. I believe in sentience beyond our understanding. I believe everything that is, is alive.

    I do NOT believe in a higher power, for I beleive that ALL higher powers are made in our own image and to truly EMBRACE the unknown and not ignorance we must embrace the fact that the universe does NOT have a human face.

    There.
     
  19. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Hypocrit.

    Nothing u have said i contest.

    No the universe has no face. It is but a baby and nothing is as
    useless as a baby. It has no experience.

    REALITY has a face. A face we cannot see till we leave this universe
    by our own wit.

    Occam
     
  20. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Who is saying any law is random?! It is a lie that nothing may be signified! There is nothing that fails to signify itself at the very least. What doesn't infinity call for?!

    It has no age.
     

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