Are you Brits for Iraq or againast it? (thanks for sticking with us)

On Thursday, December 18, 1997, Scottish Secretary Donald Dewar launched one of the most far-reaching changes to the British constitution by presenting a Bill to implement Scotland's first parliament in 300 years. The exuberant Secretary stated that the Bill was a more radical piece of legislation than dreamed of only one year before.

 

Regardless of who is in charge of the borders ...being Scottish means belonging a different (but equally as important) ethnicity to the English. Scottish is of Pictish descent and English is of Anglo-Saxon descent (mostly)

But being British nowadays isn't really an ethnicity as that can encompass many different ethnic groups.


I guess it all depends on whether you view being these things as race or nationality.

Still, human race all the way for me

 

On Thursday, December 18, 1997, Scottish Secretary Donald Dewar launched one of the most far-reaching changes to the British constitution by presenting a Bill to implement Scotland's first parliament in 300 years. The exuberant Secretary stated that the Bill was a more radical piece of legislation than dreamed of only one year before.

 

No, they just leave things in a state

 

If you look at the Weberian conception of the state, it is essentially defined by possession of a monopoly of violence within the territories it controls. After all, when law's are broken, and when dialogue breaks down, what is the last recourse but violence? And a state will always hold that monopoly. If you look at France, Britain, America etc, they have monopolies of violence within their borders. Does Scotland? Scotland isn't essentially a nation state by those standards. Whether it should be or not is another question. And linking this back to Iraq, does the Iraqi government? It is by no means sovereign, just a puppet of the American state....

 

Tell that to members of the Black Watch and you wonder why they all think Scotland is part of Britain?. Well, actually it is. Maybe we should all water down our sense of country pride a little.

The only real way forward is for unity and that means a unified Britain, Unified Europe, Unified World - if its ever possible. At the end of the day we are all able to vote. Unfortunately, whatever our views we just havn't managed to persuade enough people to come round to our way of thinking.

 

There are some animals that squirt urine onto trees to mark their territory;
There are other animals that squirt ink onto paper to mark theirs...

~

 

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but I'd just like to point out that Weber's classic definition of the state as an entity with a monopoly on force extends far beyond occasional instances of wars. It implies a whole web of coercive institutions such as the police, government & parliament ("our democratically elected representatives"), courts, prisons, educational system, social workers, even therapysts etc..This is obviously a libertarian socialist/anarchist outlook, and Foucault for instance wrote a lot on this topic.

Concerning my position on the war in Iraq, I think my article ( www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45319 ) sums it up nicely.

Love,
Dan

 

Yeah it does, although Weber wasn't coming at it from an anarchist/socialist perspective, he was defending the use of coercive state power. He defines the state as having a monopoly on the use of legitimate violence....

 

Yeah, that's true

 

Six months after the war a poll was conducted which found that 65 per cent of British people thought that the war was right while 35 thought it had been wrong. I don't know what the figures for the latest polls are in Britain now, but Iwould say they are around 50/50 now.

 

So why speculate when you don't know?

You're full of crap and I think you know it. I'm sure the tory party has sent you to this site just to irritate us

 

Well I based my estimate on previous opinion polls which I saw the results of in newspapers over the past few years. I would say that my guess of 50/50 is reasonably accurate.

 

That'll be the balanced opinion of your favourite Sun and Daily Mail journalists then would it?

 

Would that be the Sun or the Daily Sport? Perhaps it was in footy - the great game - swimsuit issue?

 

doh! beaten to it!!!

 

Thanks for sticking with us as well , very much apreciated. It is worth it.

 

aye worth it.
a whole other nation of the muslim world utterly despises our meddling.
another generation of fatherless sons want to blow the fuck out of us.

 

What exactly have they done for us?

 

Hundreds of thousands of people are dead. To simply state of this price "it is worth it" is disgusting and vile.