In my opinion, it took far too long before the mainstream news decided to cover anything of that nature. They should have been more scrutinizing of our push for war before we stepped into Iraq, instead of cheering it on unequivocably. Well, where I'm from at least (the Midwest), I can make that claim. A year back when I was in high school, the majority of people were pro-war and ridiculed/scorned the minority that was outspoken against it. And anyway, there may be widespread dissent, but it's only started to come to the public eye, so to speak. Until quite recently, people needed to be careful expressing anti-war opinions in the mainstream media.
Megara, I would usually get into arguments with you, but I Realize Now,that in most cases i would disagree with you, but in this case i realize that wars are NOT guided on racism, they are just guided on greed. The revolutionary war was based off a bunch of white guys who didn't wanna pay their taxes. The war of 1812 was again, a bunch of white dudes who didn't wanna pay their taxes STILL. The Civil war, shit mannnnnnn The whole Slavery thing was just two things (the fear of white slavery, and the ability to use racism as an ability to WIN the civil war) Germany was understandable, but Japan is like Iraq now, they don't want U.S. control. But we Pressured and Bullied them into being like the US until they became like us, look at Japan Now, they are exactly like the U.S. VERY into Technology and Electronics, we BULLIED them into becoming like us. Korea & Vietnam were both wars we lost. Although South Korea became a Democracy it is soon to become Communist. Iraq is a lost cause, they want to be a CRAZY, LUNATIC, Religious Islam Country, which to me, and you both agree is fucking cazy, but face it, that is what they wanna be, so LEAVE THEM ALONE!!! That is all I have to say. If you disagree, sorry, but that is what I and many others have to say, Peace and Love, Dan
So? Do you think anyone with an internet connection in North Korea or China (not that many exist) would be able to view this site just because it's not based in their country? The Internet doesn't care where a site is based, it's all the same. My point was that our gov't allows us to view any site on the Internet legally, unlike many fascist governments around the world.
"If The Silky Way can get banned ...." - Max Power Last chance for you to read the forum guidelines. Discussing the banned is not allowed on this site. Stick to the topic at hand.
Ha Ha Ha... max you never cease to make me laugh my ass off... They are all indeed fascist monsters because they are supporting the fascist system of america.... they are all murderers. and of course i havent seen it first hand... im in fucking wisconsin... and of course i havent seen it on television... that dont show you that shit on television my friend!!! But there is other ways of viewing what goes down in the war OTHER than watching what fox news shows you... The forums has never been a place for intelligent mature discussion, i've discovered this very long ago... in fact the majority of hipforums tends to deal with things in a very unintelligent, immature fashion. Uh, calling you a fascist and telling you to blow me is not worse than being a racist jackass. thats my opinion though. Uh he was a racist jackass and he deserved to get banned. and he never made intelligent posts.
Hey i resent that... im not paranoid! I just see the system as what it is, and Ive found a way to get americas dick out my mouth. That is hard for some to do though... tastes... so good... mmm...
Then by all means show me these ways! I can always be persuaded by facts and information. If you can prove to me that all American soldiers are fascist monsters just for wanting extra college money or a free education, then I would take you seriously. If you haven't been to Iraq you have no way of knowing what kind of people are over there. They're just like you and me, regular Americans who got caught in a bad situation and are genuinely trying to help people in need (the Iraqis). Just because a few hundred prison guards beat up and abused prisoners doesn't mean that all of them (which still number over 100,000 I believe) are evil fascists. Then why do you post here (I'm just asking a question, not telling him to go away or anything like others have, don't ban me)? I guess that means I'm being a racist jackass then. You seem to throw around the word "racism" a lot, and I think you've lost it's meaning doing so. Can you can pull up a post of mine where you think I'm being "racist"? As far as me being a jackass, that's your opinion and I really don't care.
And who fault is that. There are many other parties out there that one can vote for. If more of you Americans actually voted in what you believe in. Many other parties will stand out. Have more reps and able to get more monies through fund raising, some corporations etc. The American people have made it a 2 party system. And you are the only ones to blame for this so called dictatorship, fascist country as Mui so elegantly stated.
from maxpower: Depends on your point of view. I'm sure there have been and still are living comfortably with their fascist gov't. Not everyone suffers all the time, so many people are easily fooled into believing that since THEY aren't suffering, and THEY aren't being beaten, starved, harrassed or murdered then that means their gov't isn't all THAT bad. I'm sure that even something as obviously evil as Nazi Germany had more than it's fair share of citizens that believed there was nothing at all oppressive or fascist about their gov't. I've seen alot of bullshit happen because of the gov't and the companies who buy off our politicians. I guess it's understandable that so many people would be in such denial over the evil deeds of our gov't.....our educational system is set up in such a way that all you ever hear about is "bill of rights" and the pledge and how the revolutionary war was about freedom, then we freed the slaves and so on. You'e never taught anything (politically speaking) outside of that, so I guess there's very few people who actually do break away from what they've been programmed to think. Okay, so we can protest.....as long as we do it the way THEY tell us we can, otherwise you get a face full of pepper spray and a rubber bullet in your eye. As long as you stand behind THEIR police lines and go by THEIR rules, you're allowed to chant and march all you want. Do you call that freedom? It's just an illusion. Last presidential election, somewhere between 70 and 80 people ran for president. How many of these people did YOU hear about? How many of these people did mainstream amerika hear about? 4, maybe 5? The only people you were ALLOWED to hear about were the ones the corporate owned media wanted you to hear about.....do you call THAT freedom? Do you call that democracy? In the war against drugs, the US has managed to poison water supply and destroy family farms, and made thousands of children sick by spraying poisonous chemicals indiscriminately from the air all to kill eeeevil coca plants.....did you hear about this in your D.A.R.E classes? When cops are accused of beating/killing innocent people, they often get a paid vacation from work....would you call that justice? Anyway, my main point is, just because you can sit on a computer and bitch aloud about the gov't isn't proof of anything. When people OPENLY speak out against the government and are arrested for it, and hundreds of protesters are beaten for ONLY doing what we supposedly have a "right" to do, when the government pays a visit to you're dorm because someone reported you for the anti-bush poster on your wall, I wouldn't exactly call that freedom. i'm not sure if i'd yet consider it fascism, but if we're not there i think we're awfully close to it.
I also see some iraqis burning flags and shouting off ... it does work both ways. I think its a shame a minority on both sides get more press than the majority..but thats good TV i suppose. You could say some iraqis have good reason to be upset i understand that ...but their are also people that do it for the same reasons skin head yobs hold rallies.
Mui, The dictionary's definition of Fascism is superficial. Fascism is not what it seems. What we think we see is only the tiny tip of what, in reality, are powerfully impulsive subconscious motivations. We think we see Fascism as political. But, like all politics, business, and church, Fascism is a mere impulsive manifestation of our neurotic sexual identity. Repressed volcanic sexual energy bursting forth by indirect paths. Politics, business, and church become 'a sexual release by indirect means'. Sex by other means. And Fascism is simply that control-freak impulse to preserve our indirect sexuality whenever it is threatened to be exposed. A sexual identity perverted and made neurotic by the psychotic burden of 'death fear'. The 'death fear' psychosis that gave birth to Hierarchical Civilization. The psychosis of Civilized Man and our constantly threatened, weak and neurotic identity. Sex, Death, and Fascism.
So if Hitler had just gotten a few more hummers, that whole Holocaust mess could have been avoided............
Yeah Max, Your know it Bro! One will Exterminate and the other will Terminate. Hasta La Vista,,,,,,BaaByy!
Ask Americans, especially less edjucated or younger Americans to shut their eyes and imagine a muslim. Almost all of them will imagine Osama Bin Laden. Then if you talk with them further some will say that muslims worship an evil deity different from the chirstian god, some will say that muslims are bad and want to kill innocent americans, and some will say other ignorant brainwashed things I haven't heard from my classmates yet. If you ask them to think of a christian, very few americans will think of Hitler. This war has created hatred and ignorance torwards muslims because of the propganda on the television. Most muslims, or you could say all real muslims, or those who don't pursue god in ignorance, are good people and wouldn't want or try to kill innocent americans. Its just a few fundy extremists out there. It doesn't mean all of muslim is bad. Hitler was a christian, but it doesn't mean all of christianity is bad.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy. The 14 characteristics are: 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. 6. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed . 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine Reprinted for Fair Use Only.
