Are we witnessing the collapse of America?

yeah, the member who made that comment clearly doesnt like the truth about things in America being exposed to the outside world, and he also told me to "fuck off" in an earlier post, and i thought this forum allowed every member the right of freedom of speech, but it appears that some people just dont like outsiders interfering.

to be told to "fuck off" and get away with it in a forum like this i think is rediculous, but then to use the term "fat C_ _ _" to describe someone that i mentioned in a post i think is appalling, so this is the last thing i will be posting in this thread, i just came back from a 1 month holiday and wanted to have my say.

cheers

 

Boo-hoo^^^

 

I think we are seeing a collapse of the entire world. A system run by greed won't last long, and the world governments are, mostly, more interested in lining their and their friends pockets than they are worried about how the peasants are getting along. Those of us not in "the loop" are just a source of income to keep their money machine going.

 

I'm not witnessing it, I rather look at the flourishing countries of Europe jk, we are unfortunately all economic/industrially/politically to some degree connected nowadays.

 

I wanted to comment on the WTC building collapse comments. Having worked in the construction industry my entire life, some of it dealing with explosives, I do have a little experience in this area.
Sky scrapers are built of steel and concrete. All the steel is encased in concrete, how much is determined by the building in question, and the loads it is designed to withstand.
Now, here is what I know from past experience and other retained knowledge:
A hit to one side of a building, if strong enough, will cause the building to collapse on the side it was hit on, unless the force is enough to push it over. Sort of like falling a tree, you make a wound big enough on one side and it will fall that way, even without a back cut, unless it has a lean the other direction, then it will fall that way, either way, it will fall towards, or away from, the wound, and not to either side of it, the same goes for a building. Either way, the building will fall to one side or the other, depending on the side the wound occurs on. The videos I have seen on the WTC buildings show them falling straight down. During controlled demolition, the supports of a building are knocked out with explosives, in a manner to cause them to fall straight down so as to minimize damage to surrounding structures. "IF" the videos I have seen are true, then those building were under a controlled demolition when they fell, I did not see a video of the number 7 building so can't say how it fell. You can see the little puffs of smoke of debris just before they fall. Also, if memory serves, they both fell pretty closely to each other, which is suspect as one probably would have stood longer since the damage would not have been the same to both building.
Steel melts at about 2500 degrees F. The maximum amount of heat generated from jet fuel burning in open air is 1000 degrees F, considerably less than what it would have taken to weaken or destroy the supports in a building, plus, the heat would have to be concentrated in one area.
So, long rambling shortened, according to what I have seen, and what I know from experience, the two tall WTC buildings came down under controlled demolition. I once knocked down an old concrete silo on a farm, it stood about 60 feet tall. Using a wrecking ball attached to a large excavator, I knocked holes in the bottom of it like falling a tree, once the hole became large enough, the silo fell just like a tree. I stayed to the side of the "cut", knowing that it probably would not fall that way. I think the WTC buildings would have fallen the same way, if they had been hit hard enough to cause a large wound. They were hit up high, so, if they did not fall over from the force of the blow, why did they collapse below the wound area?

 

I was quite surprised to discover that what you have posted is far beyond what most people are capable of determining.

 

It's a critical thinking issue . . . I think.

 

You think. Obviously not.

 

All sadly true with one exception. You could run the entire planet on egalatarian socialist ( sorry, I know that word frightens you people in the US) principals yet unless something was done to limit the population explosion you'd still be going to hell in a hand basket.

 

Very true - but the fact is, that's going to be problem no matter what.

 

Well, I managed to follow this post (especially since he used good English, spelling, and his sentences were easy to follow).
I also find it quite disturbing and interesting...and I am not surprised. I am glad to have the reason(s) for the buildings falling as they did so clearly explained.

 

The population explosion is a problem largely being ignored these days. Why, when climate change, polution, starvation, extinction of species and degradation of the natural environment is intimately linked with it is it being ignored? Are we all afraid, through misguieded political correctness, of upsetting the Roman church and others opposed to contraception? Our species is indeed insane.

 

Yeah, pretty much... superstitious monkeys and madmen.

 

A lot reading this will think we're only half serious. If so I suggest they read Arthur Koestler's "The Ghost in The Machine' which examines our species propensity for mindless, organized violence we should have left behind when we came down out of the trees.

 

^^^ I also recommend Carlos Castanedas Anthropological/occult series
for a more 'spiritual' perspective....:devil:

From "The active side of infinity"(bold added ZW)

Text excerpts and mp3's from the series here

 

Nothing as comforting a putting the blame on someone else?

 

Comfort in blame? lol another construct of the foreign installation no doubt...
IMO Ancient Taoist philosophers knew about this too, but they chose not to mention it, for obvious reasons, lol. They only kept the part about eliminating self reflection, dissolving the 'ego' through meditation and so forth.

They knew it's the only way for the true mind to emerge, even if momentarily.

It's about all anyone can do, anyone who seeks transcendence anyway...

 

Transcendence is vastly overrated .

 

No problem here with either egalitarian or socialist, to each his or her own, as far as I am concerned. I can function just fine with other beliefs, unless they are forced on me.
I agree on the population explosion. When my wife and I got married at 18 we decided to only have two children, and this was partially the reason why. The other reason was it costs so damn much to have and raise kids if you participate in the normal mode of living, as we did at that time.
We think that if people limited themselves to just two, then attrition would eventually take care of the population problem.

 

8:46:30 Flight 11 crashes at roughly 466 mph (790 km/h or 219m/s or 425 knots) into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99. (Many early accounts gave times between 8:45 and 8:50). The aircraft enters the tower intact. It plows to the building core, severing all three gypsum-encased stairwells, dragging combustibles with it. A powerful shock wave travels down to the ground and up again. The combustibles and the remnants of the aircraft are ignited by the burning fuel. As the building lacks a traditional full cage frame and depends almost entirely on the strength of a narrow structural core running up the center, fire at the center of the impact zone is in a position to compromise the integrity of all internal columns. People below the severed stairwells start to evacuate—no one above the impact zone is able to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESaIEVxLnK4"]North Tower WTC 1 Collapse From Hoboken - YouTube

As the fires continued to burn, occupants trapped in the upper floors of the South Tower provided information about conditions to 9-1-1 dispatchers. At 9:37 a.m., an occupant on the 105th floor of the South Tower reported that floors beneath him "in the 90-something floor" had collapsed. The New York City Police Department aviation unit also relayed information about the deteriorating condition of the buildings to police commanders. Only 14 people escaped from the impact zone of the South Tower after it was hit, and only four people from the floors above it. They escaped via Stairwell A, the only stairwell which had been left intact after the impact. Numerous police hotline operators who received calls from individuals inside the South Tower were not well informed of the situation as it rapidly unfolded in the South Tower. Many operators told callers not to descend the tower on their own, even though it is now believed that Stairwell A was most likely passable at and above the point of impact. At 9:52 a.m., the NYPD aviation unit reported over the radio that "large pieces may be falling from the top of WTC 2. Large pieces are hanging up there". With the warnings, the NYPD issued orders for its officers to evacuate. During the emergency response, there was minimal communication between the NYPD and the New York City Fire Department (FDNY), and overwhelmed 9-1-1 dispatchers did not pass along information to FDNY commanders on-scene. At 9:59 a.m., the South Tower collapsed, 56 minutes after being struck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA&feature=related"]9/11: South Tower "Collapse" video compilation - YouTube

Wouldn't the falling tree effect only be true if it was hit nearer the bottom of the building rather than the top. Wouldn't a more likely scenario be the building leant over and then the undamaged section was unable to support the structure so gave way too. Neither building leant far enough for them to topple over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUikmLufHrs"]WTC2 collapse simulation - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9HRD3iomk&feature=relmfu"]WTC7 collapse - YouTube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0mSiWhITZ0"]BBC 9/11: Conspiracy Road Trip ¦ 720p [2/4] - YouTube