Are Right Wing Extremists Crashing Peaceful Protests?

One thing I notice frequently with the white supremacist/white nationalists is their love for guns and the right to defend themselves just like Rottenhouse in Kenosha. I never hear these white supremacist extremists talk about the way they drive across the country with their guns, like Rottenhouse drove across the Wisconsin state line to intentionally place himself in a volatile set of conditions. In the case of the immigrant hater who killed 29 innocent people in El Paso, it is now clear that he drove several hundred miles to go and kill people even when there was no self defense issue at all. When the white supremacist killed the three innocent Muslim students inside their own apartment in Chapel Hill, he simple told the police that he didn't like the way they parked their car. That wasn't a case of self defense either. In Pittsburg the man who killed 11 innocent Jews inside their own place of worship, the matter was not about self defense. It was outright murder. The killer blamed Jews for helping Honduran immigrants come to the USA, a place he considered to be exclusive for his own supreme white race. Most of these delusional white supremacists feel that America is a white Christian nation and they need their AR-15 and body armor to prove it. We now need to revise our gun ownership laws to screen for white supremacist ideology, and meth use. Each of these extremists who do own assault style guns, or any other guns, should be required ton submit to a dental examination by a state certified dentist, so we could be satisfied that they are not irrational people. After that, a complete psychological interview should be required, so we would have an idea of their likely-hood to harm others. Finally, we now require cars and pickup trucks to be registered, and the owner licensed to operate them. We should require that all guns be registered and their owners licensed to operate the weapons. We already require a license for a deer hunt, or a rabbit hunt; now we can require a license anytime the weapon is discharged. The rules pertaining to the use and discharge of a gun could be codified in the law by congress, so that it is applied uniformly in all states. We just can not have another Pittsburg or El Paso.

 

Here in America you're entitled to your opinion and may say what you like. That's not the same as having your thoughts or what you say being correct.

 

I understand illegal vs. legal. What part of there was nothing illegal about the firearm he was carrying are you stumped by?

 

Your ability to digest information is seriously flawed. The AR-15 was an illegal weapon while in his possession! IT was illegal for him to have it. IT was illegal for him to buy it. You can bet your bottom dollar the prosecutor will send out investigators to the place the gun was sold. They will subpoena the purchaser even if it was Rottenhouser's mommy. Your white supremacist imagination will not matter in that court room. The law is what matters. If Rottenhouser's mommy drove him and the AR-15 over the Wisconsin state line, then she might be charged right along with him. And I suspect that will likely happen. We can't have a 17 year old white supremacist gun nut gallivanting around from state to state to enforce white supremacist ideology.

 

The firearm was not his, he recieved it in th6 state he used it.

 

I think mcme has bought into the version of reality put out by Rittenhouse's defense lawyer: he didn't cross state lines, it's not illegal for a seventeen year old to have an AR-15, he wasn't there to make trouble but to guard a business at the invitation of a business owner, and he was defending himself in a situation where he was reasonably in fear for his life. We'll see what the prosecution has to say, and what the jury makes of it all.

 

We will.

 

I have no issues with you personally Mister Mountainman. But I'm on a Hip Site maybe because the last time I looked, in the United States, free speech refers to the First Amendment Rights in the Constitution. United States law allows people the right to practice religion freely, speak freely, for the press to speak freely and for people to assemble or petition peacefully. I think that includes the right to support President Trump or wannabee president Biden ... whatever floats your boat. If I'm wrong then please feel free to tell me and also feel free to tell me as you did once before, that I was talking out my ... Wazoo was it? Take care now and have an awesome day!

 

Sigh ..........

 

One man's dumb is another man's clever.

 

If you want to keep this debate going then concentrate on the issues ... play the man and not the ball.

 

I take it from whence it comes. If I stay and debate here I know I'm outnumbered and I'll take flack from all sides. If leave this thread it will no longer be a debate but just Democrats stating their own views. Is that what you really want?

 

And yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

Should he stay or should he go? If he stays there could be trouble. If he goes, there could be trouble--(not)! I'd say, if you have something thoughtful to say, preferably backed up with rational arguments and evidence, I'd be interested. If not, it could still be instructive, as an example of Trumpster mindlessness. So far, your contributions seem borderline trollish--a waste of time to respond to. Balbus pretty well summed them up.

 

I'm aware that Hip Forums has been on the Internet since way back when. So before I decided to register I asked a friend who had been a member what he thought of HF. I was quite surprised by his answer. He went: "Well for a start what you have to remember is that conservative views won't be tolerated on those Boards." So I go: "Seriously? I mean I have had a look at their rules and FAQs and that didn't actually jump out at me. Surely "... I went on in my naive ignorance: "it can't be that bad. I mean aren't they like Hippies and like make love not war? Free love and anti war and all that shit?"
"Fuck that," he goes, "if you sprout conservative views you gonna be put down and hounded off the boards."

I decided to join anyway and I have come to the conclusion that if you are thin skinned its best to stay away from anything remotely anti liberal. A great pity because after all we are all human beings and as such have differing views on most stuff apart from politics.
How boring life would be if all 328.2 million of us had the same likes and dislikes. We wouldn't ever again have an election for a president/ I wonder what life would be like then?

 

If you understand that much about the first amendment, then you shouldn't be attacking Liberals and Leftists on here, and should go along with us sending our votes by the US mail.

 

You want an example of dumb? Try Trump speaking with Bob Woodward.

 

We think your intellectual level is similar to that of a frog.

 

He told you that?

 

I've seldom seen true "conservative" opinions on HF (Sr. Greene being a possible exception, but she's an unfortunate combination of libertarian objectivism and authoritarian/evangelical moralism). But think the site is pretty tolerant of far right-wing garbola. VG has been on forever playing the troll game and carrying the torch for the Donald, and they didn't get the hook for Six-eyed Shaman until he started calling people who disagreed with him criminals. If by "not tolerated" you mean that if you say something like "Donald Trump is the greatest president in U.S. history" or "the police should not be held to an objective standard of reasonableness when using deadly force" you won't get some strongly worded blowback, especially when you make no reasoned arguments in support of your position, I think you misunderstand what "tolerated" means. I wasn't around in the sixties, but I suspect if you said similar things at a hippie gathering back then, you'd get similar reactions. Peace, love and understanding notwithstanding, if you show up at a Rainbow gathering in your MAGA hat spouting the crap you post on HF, I'm sure you'll be called some choice names --at the very least. So what is your point? Free speech cuts both ways.

BTW, we may be fast approaching the time when we won't ever have a real election for president again, and "boring" is the least of my worries if our Dear Leader, the greatest President in U.S history gets another term in office.