Are Humans done evolving?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by mr.morrison, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. polecat

    polecat Weerd

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    I agree with the theory LostLass posed, just look at Japan, one of the most consistently technologically advanced nation on the planet. Their birthrate is minuscule compared with most third world countries that lack competent education systems.

    Of course this ties in with Pressed Rat's statement that evolution is an excuse for intellectual elitism. Would an elite caste of more intellectually evolved humans come into being. I mean brains obviously evolve(look I can type :p), but how long does it take? Are we stimulating our brains in a manner which will affect they develop?

    Too many questions. I need answers man! But their aren't any answers, too little time has passed since the beginning of mass modernization. Oh well, ignorance is bliss...
     
  2. bugnito

    bugnito Banned

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    Thats the most paranoid thing I have read in a long time, (LOL a alot)
    this quote ignores a whole 180 years of scientific study and obviously comes from someone who hasnt a clue what they are talking about. Are you seriously this paranoid and delusional? you need help brother! May I suggest you read this: Evolution theory or fact
    LOL its just a short paragraph that will set your millions of followers right.
    (followers? sorry I meant watchers)
    LOL LOL
    (paranoid knock knock joke)
    person 1) Knock Knock
    person 2) oh my god its the CIA !!!!

    Even in simple bacteria we can see evolution. Infact in bacteria and viruses you can see evolution on a short time scale in the sense that you can see short episodes of metamorphosis and resistance. A bacterial organism either adapts and survives or is killed by its inability to adapt. The most succesfull bacteriological/virul orders are those such as cold and flu. Their metamorphosis ensures that neither manmade nor natural resistance to them is entirely successful. They change into another form too rapidly.
    The mistaken idea that evolution is anything other than, the change within a populace over time, is mistaken.
     
  3. trekker

    trekker Intrepid Traveler

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    I read all the posts here and I feel that my thoughts are that evolution is a fact. There is enough evidence to justify it. We just havnt done it in a test tube with anything bigger than a microbe.

    The thing is humans can now evolve exponentially due to our ability to manipulate our own genetics. We have become our own gods. We are returning to pagan beliefs slowly also, which I don't dislike, but science must exist side by side. Science is evolving us.

    I believe God will destroy us before we destroy ourselves.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So if evolution is a fact, as you claim, why is it still referred to as Darwin's theory? (In reality, it wasn't "his" theory at all. He was simply in charge of putting it out there.) I have yet to hear anyone explain that to me sufficiently or provide any evidence showing that mankind, for whatever reason(s), evolved into what he is today, having once been basically an ape. I look at Darwinism as being an elite religion, where people are divided into classes, much like in the Hindu religion. Once you better understand Darwin and his background, and the people he associated himself with, you see what he is pushing is not merely a scientific theory, but a belief system based on "survival of the fittest." The answer lies in who is the fittest, and how did they become that way. The answer is through generations of interbreeding.
     
  5. polecat

    polecat Weerd

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    gah, please don't tell me you just used the "well evolution is still just a theory". There's a "Theory of Gravity" as well. Why isn't it a "Fact"? Because you can't actually prove that gravity exists, but there's lots of scientific evidence to support this "theory" and it hasn't been disproved, hence the "theory". The same for the "theory" of evolution. Come on man, I shouldn't have to say this.
     
  6. dacre4

    dacre4 Member

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    Hahah yeah i totally agree with polecat!

    I do believe in survival of the fittest, because it just makes the most sense to me. But i do have a question. If we evolved from apes, and apes are still around today, than why isn't there any half ape half man types? Once the apes started evolving into humans, did the mutated apes just avoid having sex altogether with non mutated apes? This confuses me yo hook up an answer.
     
  7. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    Okay, I have read enough posts with half-truths about evolution, but in general, most of them are far off what evolution really is! Yes, Darwin spoke of "survival of the fittest" which is known as natural selection. He based this idea off of artificial selection, which is people breeding organisms, such as dogs to get a specific result. After WWII, the Italians were obsessed with the abstract 7 and in less than 70 generations, bred canaries to look like the number 7! It's really quite disturbing b/c the poor birds are so deformed and bent. If I can find a picture, I'll post it.

    Evolution is the process of genotype and phenotype transformation. If you start with a group with two types of genes, A & a, there can be three genotypes, AA, Aa, or aa. Let's say that the genotype frequency of the population is 25% AA, 50% Aa, and 25% aa, pretty easy numbers, which were established by Mendel and his famous pea experiments. Now, 10 generations later, the genotype frequency has changed to 10% AA, 70% Aa, and 20% aa. This is evolution. Evolution NEVER occurs at the individual level; it only occurs in populations and above. If the genotype frequency of a population remains the same after many generations, evolution is not occuring and the population is at equilibrium.

    The first post tried to use giraffe neck length as an example of evolution. Before Darwin, this was a hypothesis presented by Lamarck in 1809. His model recognized evolution, but there was no evidence to support his claims of "use and disuse." Biologists at the time scoffed his idea and in fact, this is false. Evolution is NOT a giraffe with a longer neck out competing other shorter neck giraffes. It is NOT giraffes reaching for food, thereby making their necks longer. This is a common mistake made by those who don't understand evolution.

    As to whether humans are evolving, I would say that no species stops evolving. The last major evolutionary change in Homo sapiens was the development of the high forehead (about 100,000 years ago). Who knows what is the next character which evolves for humans. One thing I can guarantee is that the change won't be in my lifetime. It may take thousands of years before a new character evolves or we may be extinct by then. After all, 99% of all species that has existed is now extinct. What makes us any different from those species who came before us?

    Peace and love
     
  8. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    Check out the deformed canary! (hopefully this works[​IMG])

    Peace and love
     
  9. dacre4

    dacre4 Member

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    Someone answer my question plz
     
  10. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    There are no half man half apes because humans did not evolve from apes. Primates, including humans and apes had a common ancestor that is extinct. Apes and other primates branched off in a different direction than the genus Homo, which humans belong to. I hope this answers your question.

    Peace and love
     
  11. dacre4

    dacre4 Member

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    Yeah thanks that explains it id say, but how come the common ancestor of humans and apes got extinct? Mabey it was just coincidence that they died off.
     
  12. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    Why did the common ancestor of humans and apes become extinct? For the same reasons the other 99% of species that have ever existed are now extinct. Perhaps the ancestor became less able to survive in its environment, possibly due to new competition of other hominids. Their source of food or their habitat might have become scarce. The environment might have changed due to geological forces, leaving the ancestors unable to adapt. There are many reasons why extinction might occur. However, given that my geological knowledge (especially of the detailed evolution of humans and the environment during that time) is somewhat limited, I can't tell you the specific cause of extinction, as there are MANY possibilities.

    I don't understand what you mean by "coincidence that they died off."

    Peace and love
     
  13. dacre4

    dacre4 Member

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    Yeah this covers all of what i was wondering sorry if i sounded really stupid. But yeah i get it now :) Thanks

    Peace and love
     
  14. dacre4

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    Hey i do have one other question, your username has 666 in it which is satans number, but you are promoting peace and love which is the opposite of satan lol satan would say Havoc and Destruction!! or something. i just thought that was funny.
     
  15. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    Dude, chill out. First of all, the "mark of the beast" probably isn't 666, but rather 616, as the oldest version of Revelations ever found says. Lots of shit gets lost in translation. Ever play telephone and get the same message at the end? Same thing with literature, everyone adds their own views, and some stuff doesn't translate literally. For example, in spanish, one say "Me llamo Kim" which equates to "I'm Kim" in English, but the literal translation is "I call myself Kim." Imagine how many times the bible has been translated.

    Anywho, I don't believe in Satan. The number is a reference to my fiance, who once had a panic attack after his parents told him he was possessed by demons.

    Peace and love
     
  16. dacre4

    dacre4 Member

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    Yeah i actually heard about the 616 thing before, but i completely forgot about that.

    Im chill its cool. I'm agnostic anyways.
    Yeah stuff probably does get drastically changed throughout history, the only stuff we truly know happened is what we experience in our lives today and whats on the news and stuff. Anything else that was told to us by our ancestors literature could be blown way out of proportion for all we know. Probably not too much, because i am sure people would try not mess up our precious history, but it happens whether it's accidental or not.
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    If you believe todays news and media without question, you're in for a big surprise. It's more fiction than fact.

    Remember those Israeli planes bombing Syria on Sept 06 of this year...well they didn't do the bombing:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    You may even be part of the human race that becomes extinct through ignorance.
     
  18. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    We don't do this? Are you sure?
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I like your reasoning.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    By doing this some men thought they reach godness...what they succeeded in doing was creating an aberration.
     

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