Are Americans Racist?

I feel things, but where things are knowable through thought processes my thinky parts win.

T vs F is the thinking v feeling dynamic where some people are prone to let their feelings rule them and some rely on analysis.

In general thinking is objective and feeling is subjective. When people say "put your thinking cap on" they're kind of saying, look at this without cognitive bias.

 

That is true and makes sense,...and there should always be logic, I agree.... but sometimes your instincts which are in the category of "feeling" I think....tell you more than anything else can, in my experience, anyway.....

 

How do you think that reflects on you other than you value those things? As far as I am concerned all the academics can wear their stuffed shirts and I the peacocks tail

The Secrets of Alchemical Symbols

The Ninth Key from D. Stolcius von Stolcenberg, Viridarium chymicum, 1624


This image is the ninth key from Basil Valentine's series of the Twelve Keys. It describes the stage known as the "peacock's tail." The bottom section shows three hearts with a snake emanating out of each; their circular motion recalls the movement of a wheel and with it the sense of yoga (yoke). The snake, or serpent, is the symbol of transformation and in this form recalls the ouroborus. The three hearts represent body, soul and spirit and more essentially the principles of Salt, Sulphur and Mercury. Together they form a small mandala symbolizing the wholeness of the Self. Together the three elements in this section of the picture are joined together within the wholeness of the outer circle. Psychologically, this part of the image indicates that all three aspects are flowing in harmony with each other.

The upper section shows two figures, one male and one female, posed in such a way as to form a cross. At each point of the cross we find some animal depicting various aspects of the opus. Beginning at the top there is a black crow sitting on the man's feet. This is the nigredo, the blackening, where the work begins. Moving counterclockwise, we come to the white swan perched on the woman's head. The work moves from the nigredo to the albedo, the whitening stage of the opus that is associated with the feminine. At her feet is the symbol of the peacock's tail. The peacock's tail marks the precipitation of the final stage - the beginning of integration. The "eyes" on the peacock's tail were thought to represent all universes and the iridescence of its colors the entire spectrum of light that reflects the infinite dimensions of consciousness. Finally, as we move to the man's head, we see the phoenix bird wings stretched wide in a triumphant pose.

Adam MacLean (The Alchemical Mandala, p. 78) mentions that these birds represent the four elements. The Crow=Earth, Swan=Water, Peacock=Air, Phoenix=Fire. He points out the various polarities that are formed by specific connections made between each bird and the point of contact (head or feet) of the male and female figures. These polarities -the four elements, the three principles, the masculine and feminine and the four stages of the work- when adequately experienced prepare the adept for complete integration.

It is interesting to note also that the movement in the upper section is contrary to the bottom section. These counter-movements remind us that alchemy is an opus contra naturum, that its work moves contrary to nature, not to oppose it but rather to facilitate both evolution and involution.

Finally, another way of viewing this picture is to trace the outline of the design instead of focusing on its details. Then, what appears is a cross above a circle. This is the symbol for Antimony, a poisonous metal that is derived from stibnite. In prescribing antimony, instead of stibnite, Valentine sickened many of his brother monks, thus the name "Anti-monk" gave rise to the word anitmony. It is also significant to note that the Star Regulus ("petty king")which is produced from antimony fascinated Sir Isaac Newton many years later. The crystallized shards from the Star Regulus pointing outward and inward ultimately contributed to Newton's formulation of the laws of gravitation.




Here is another version of the Peacock's tail...



I imagine intelligence a virtue if you use it wisely. I just bring this up to demonstrate that human wisdom has been around longer than modern forms of documentation. However because of modern communications the opportunities for understanding on an increasingly mass scale are multiplying exponentially. Evolutionary trends are not what is driving change at this moment in history but the increased access to knowledge is.

 

Men lean towards thinking at a clip of ~ 70%
Women tend towards feeling at ~ 70%

Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. I think of feeling as instantly gratifying and faith verifying and consumeristic. I'll take logic and foresight all the way. Here's a poem about people in the US depending on their feelings too much.

-I am Eric an American-
I think therefore I am.
I feel therefore I matter
Commitment to instant gratification
Avows me to grow fatter
With every passing day
My expanding wasteline
Let's me know I've set a new
Record comfort baseline
What could be so wrong
With this cozy picture
Be a comfort slave
Become a charicture
Of an Ameri-can
To a foreign eye
What more can I eat
What else should I buy
Consumerism's great
Communism's bad
I heard it on the tube
I learned it from my dad
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of this nation under god
While the Islamic State
Wages their jihad
I wonder if they question
If they critically think
Or if they just act just like me
And put their faith in indelible ink

The spelling discrepancies are there with porpoise
Let your mind be more amorphous

 

Actually men and women are both from earth. Men and women both each in themselves have male and female creatives principles inherent in being human. What you can count on, both male and female is that your emotions will rise and fall according to your sense of value.

 

if someone overeats, it just does not compare to hurting someone else intentionally, though.....so that sounds a bit trying to create a super race or something.....as long, as you are happy with yourself, why should it matter what others think of you then?...and why judge others if they overeat or do anything that is not hurting you?

 

Uhmmm, OK.
I offered info based on nerd's valuation of intelligence as evidenced by SAT scores, nor shall I offer any apologies or explanation for being proud of my children.

 

Google the Myers-Briggs personality testing and categorization system.

 

and you obviously know very little concerning me

 

I would never hurt someone for the sake of hurting someone. If shouting truth from the rooftops hurts feelings, I will not stop shouting truth from the rooftops. Debate is panacea. Transparency remedies all in the end. Red pill all the way.

 

Better yet you guys take the test and tell me your tendencies! http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality

 

You are not hurting my feelings.....

 

Very heavy on the J, I see. N & J together can be a deadly combination. That means you often jump to conclusions based on very little information, and nothing on earth can make you change your mind. I see that in your posts.

 

Umm there's a lot of things that could change mind. Feelings won't change my mind.

Which of my conclusions are faulty? By the way I would love to debate anyone here over Skype if you think my logic is flawed. I'm confident as FUCK in my conclusions and if we're discussing this in real time it will become very clear which side is standing on firmer ground. It can be filmed and posted on Youtube for the voting public to decide.

I think of Intuition vs. Sensing as `Macro vs. Micro`. `Big picture vs Little picture`

also Judgement vs. Perception strikes me as Realism vs. Relativism. For a dismantling of moral relativity I highly recommend The Moral Landscape by Sam Harris. Or this TED talk by him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww

 

....sorry......cannot resist posting this song now....

and maybe we should make another thread logic vs feelings....as now I know I am off the topic of racism....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ

 

Also, perceptions of the feelings of others won't change your mind. That can be a deadly flaw in the business world. That's a common way for leaders to fail.

This gets us into the limitations of tests. Myers-Briggs works better on younger people, because their personalities tend to be more polarized. Older people are more likely to have varying results on that test, depending on the test setting. As we age, we develop skills in making use of different perspectives in different settings. As far as I know, there is no test for flexibility, which correlates (dangerous word, I realize) highly with success in adult life. It's not innate, but a learned skill.

Black American children raised in highly successful households (both parents with college degree) are taught almost from birth to be flexible, being cool and friendly with their friends, but shifting fully to an academic mindset in classroom settings. Their chances for success as adults are similar to those of the much larger number of white children from similar families.

You'll never find any takers here for anything like that. Nobody cares that much about what any one person thinks.

 

It's better to be good at all four, depending on what's needed in the situation.

 

chameleon

who are you?
I don't know...
it changes depending on the situation

 

seriously, i never change that much ever like that...just being a little funny, and i saw a tv program where someone was very chameleon and completely changed, so one could not really trsut who they were. It stemmed with that person from mental illness....

 

Yeah very good points on flexibility, and certainly in business situations and big social groups, it's common to compromise on logical analysis or abandon it altogether. Success is a tricky metric for sure, for many people I'm sure compromising on logic at times would be a strength. To me it seems that we degrade ourselves to the lowest common denominator. This is group think. It's herd mentality.

For me strength is never compromising on my fundamentals. Reason, logic, evidence, truth, the four corners of my foundation. No shakiness, no weakness, no succumbing to the herd mentality.

I agree it's good to see Macro and Micro, although most people can't break out of micro in my experience.

With regards to relativism, I take it you have a zero tolerance policy on limitations on free speech right? Assuming it doesn't directly incite violence? I have a zero tolerance policy for compromising on reason. It is a dangerous business to blur these lines. When we have in our possession the most useful, consistently positive tools in the history of man's ideological arsenal, we hold those values tightly and we use them to beat back the tentacles of religious idiocy and emotional appeal.