Are Americans Racist?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Nov 26, 2014.

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  1. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    No you doofus, it means you think the IQ of differing races influences economics when I pointed out in your first thread that it is the other way around, economics dictates access to proper nutrition, both pre-natal and early childhood which greatly effects cognitive development and ready access to educational opportunities.

    Concerning the wheel and crap, again cart before horse.
    the reason so many things developed in the middle east was simply a matter of location. with the seasonal flooding and subsequent enriching of the land meant easier agriculture and surplus food stores which in turn provides more free time not devoted to meeting the basic needs of survival which in turn led to invention and discovery.
    the exact same pattern has been followed time and again with every major civilization.


    Considering the logic and critical thought you put into this, if your ideas are correct, I suspect your great grand-daddy was diddling the slaves and those idiot genes have found expression in the current generation of your family tree.
     
  2. thedope

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    Point one. what is a standard deviation? A standard deviation is plus or minus and 2% is less than the margin of error in polling data. Everyone is of african decent and there have been several human migration events.

    Point two. European has been the dominant world culture for hundreds of years because of the factors of animal domestication, agriculture, metallurgy, and microbes. Countless millions have been enslaved and killed in the name of that brand of social progress. This is on a systematic and world wide scale. You have a very myopic view of the situation and it is because you think you can find substance in average points of divergence. All you can find from that argument is a variety of statistically divergent points and add hock theories based on small samplings.

    Point three. No community is bound to anything except local conditions. There is no accurate survey of the worlds communities but many whacked out social theories that are always proposed by the privileged if you consider world average income.
     
  3. Nerdanderthal

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    I totally agree to your geographical conclusion and if you search, you'll find I made that exact case. The recession of the last glacial period led to the advent of agriculture and civiliazation by the survivors of said glacial period. Among these revolutionarily complex societies, rose complex thinkers. Natural selection was on a new course, no longer pioritizing the fastest, strongest of the tribe but rather the ones who could plan ahead and adapt to the changing enviornment. Mental prowess was trumping physical prowess for the first time... ever? Concentrate this phenomenon geographically and multiply it over hundreds and even thousands of generations and the product is isolated paragons of intellectual achievement like Classical Greece, some of the smartest men to ever walk the face of the earth.

    Where we differ perhaps, is your assumption that during this sea change of procrative preference, the native Sub Saharan Africans were equal to the tasks of the Greeks every step along the way? That no genetic differences in brains were manifested along the way? There's no possible way genetic divergences relating to brains could account for the following facts which I GUARANTEE YOU WON'T ADDRESS

    • Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.
    • Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.
    • Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.
     
  4. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    I made no assumptions, those are your assumptions.

    I guess you didn't understand what I meant by your attitude is one of the key contributing factors for these differences.
    after generations of hearing stupid crap like what you are spouting, many black kids do not see themselves as on a par with whites and that manifests in many ways, but that doesn't mean that your ideas are right.
    if you beat a dog long enough.....


    and just so we all have a clear idea of who we are dealing with, what was your SAT scores?
     
  5. Nerdanderthal

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    Leaving aside your distrust of scientific data, can I ask you a question?

    Which continent do you think has had the highest per capita slavery rates in history? I know what impression you would take away from Hollywood, is that your main source? Schoolbooks? Do you think that claim of countless millions being enslaved by Europeans is accurate? Is it an assumption?

    Which group of people was the first to announce slavery as an abomination? Slavery has been practiced throughout the world for all of recorded history, why did it so abruptly come to an end in the places where it actually has stopped?

    Please answer some of these questions
     
  6. Nerdanderthal

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    1200 on the dot. Not spectacular. I was very much so a slacker jock.
    http://www.fairtest.org/2005-college-bound-seniors-average-sat-scores

    Just to get a clear idea who I'm dealing with, do you agree with affirmative action?

    Do you think it's a good idea that so many of these black kids think they're being "held back" by people oppressing them? We are in close proximity with each other, envy and jealousy is bound to develop. Should we be honest about the genetic differences that produce the economic differences?
     
  7. Karen_J

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    Long, complicated story that goes back generations. I don't think that place was any different from any other small Southern town. I just wanted to point out the difference in race relations between the US and the UK. As much as I would prefer not to agree with Nerd about anything, honesty compels me to say that concerns about violence at the hands of young black men are quite legitimate here. Even Jessie Jackson admits that he's shared those concerns at times, and there is no louder advocate for black Americans than Jessie Jackson. He spent his college years in the general area where I grew up.
     
  8. thedope

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    No. They are not available because they do not exist. You are proposing fantasy projections by a less than honest scientist as though that was accurate measurement.

    children in the U.S. today are more educated than they ever have been. In 2011, more than six-in-ten (66%) had at least some college education, while 34% had a high school diploma or less and just 14% lacked a high school diploma, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data.
    These benchmarks reflect a decades-long rise in the educational levels of all women, as well as a decline in births that has been particularly steep among less educated women, and that has intensified since the onset of the Great Recession in late 2007.
    By the end of their childbearing years, women without a high school diploma have on average 2.5 children, and women with a bachelor’s degree have about 1.7.
    Marital status plays a larger role in birthrates and the distribution of social services than does education.
     
  9. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Wow, that's pretty low. you sure you have the intellectual chops to be engaging in such endeavors as these discussions?
    Slacker or is it those slave genes kicking in?

    What about Native Americans?
    My kids are better than 1/8 Native American descent and both my daughters scored well over 2100.
     
  10. Nerdanderthal

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    That's great bud! I have no idea if that's true or even what the average nowadays is or how easy it is to smash through the essay portion with little effort but I hope they get into great schools! I'm sure they will even if they have average score, they're part native =D

    There are so few objective measures to turn to in order to measure intelligence, but I love to see how I stack up against people. Care for a game of chess? Maybe your daughters want to play with me. They probably do. Don't let them near me!

    I dearly wish I could go in and take the current tests. I would bet $100 I'd outscore your daughters. They may very well be in the top 1 or 2% and out do me but I like those odds.
     
  11. NoxiousGas

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    LOL, yeah...right.
    I seriously doubt you would last very long in a debate with my either of my girls.
    One is already in one of the top rated universities on an academic scholarship and is maintaining a 3.94 GPA across two years with a double major in chemistry and pure mathematics.
    The other is currently working on approximately five novels and a few short stories.
    It is cool how one excels in language and writing and the other is a mathematics wiz, although they both are very strong across the board.

    FYI, we did not play the "Native American" card, no need to.
     
  12. Nerdanderthal

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    If true that's very, very impressive and I hope they have big families!
     
  13. thedope

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    You can relinquish your idea that I have a distrust of scientific data and obviously you can ask of me questions.

    This I consider the relevant slave rates?
    Modern slavery is a multi-billion dollar industry with estimates of up to $35 billion generated annually. The United Nations estimates that roughly 27 to 30 million individuals are currently caught in the slave trade industry. The Global Slavery Index 2013 states that 10 nations account for 76 per cent of the world's enslaved. India has the most slaves of any country, at 14 million (over 1% of the population). China has the second-largest number with 2.9 million slaves, followed by Pakistan with 2.1 million, Nigeria with 701,000, Ethiopia with 651,000, Russia with 516,000, Thailand with 473,000, Congo with 462,000, Myanmar with 384,000, and Bangladesh with 343,000.

    Slaves.
     
  14. thedope

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    Please respond to my statement about your point one.
     
  15. Nerdanderthal

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    The Flynn effect is the substantial and long-sustained increase in both fluid and crystallized intelligence test scores measured in many parts of the world from roughly 1930 to the present day. When intelligence quotient (IQ) tests are initially standardized using a sample of test-takers, by convention the average of the test results is set to 100 and theirstandard deviation is set to 15 or 16 IQ points. When IQ tests are revised, they are again standardized using a new sample of test-takers, usually born more recently than the first. Again, the average result is set to 100. However, when the new test subjects take the older tests, in almost every case their average scores are significantly above 100.
    Test score increases have been continuous and approximately linear from the earliest years of testing to the present. For the Raven's Progressive Matrices test, subjects born over a 100-year period were compared in Des Moines, Iowa, and separately in Dumfries, Scotland. Improvements were remarkably consistent across the whole period, in both countries.[1] This effect of an apparent increase in IQ has also been observed in various other parts of the world, though the rates of increase vary.
     
  17. Moonglow181

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    What is an INTJ and why don't you feel anything?
     
  18. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    I have no need or desire to lie to impress strangers
     
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  19. Asmodean

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    Just an urge to impress strangers :p
     
  20. NoxiousGas

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    no, just stating the facts and being a proud parent[​IMG]
     
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