Are Americans Racist?

There can be another factor behind racism that I’ve highlighted before and that is the issue of class.

The higher social classes throughout history have often despised and or feared the lower classes and race can become mixed up with that when certain groups fill the social space.

Differing ethnic groups have filled this role over the years in the US the KKK may now be seen as the persecutors of black people but their hatred was also aimed at the Irish, Italians, Jews etc.

It was common to picture and view the Irish as apelike thugs who were in the main poor because they were unintelligent and lazy (but also to be feared because they were violent).

And remember there are subdivisions even amongst the lower classes with poor whiter groups looking down on (and been taught to do so dislike) the poor blacker people.

The thing is that in an increasingly unequal world it would be better for those at the top to have those below fighting amongst themselves because if they stopped they might just join together and turn on the 1%.

 

nerd

We have presented counter arguments, criticisms you seem not to be addressing.

 

I don't feel, I think.

I'm an INTJ. YOU, are obviously a feeler.

 

Nerd

Why are people dropping out?

It seems to me that the problem is influenced by the disadvantages and pressures associated with lower incomes -

“In 2009, poor (bottom 20 percent of all family incomes) students were five times more likely to drop out of high school than high-income (top 20 percent of all family incomes) students (Chapman, Laird, Ifill, & KewalRamani, 2011, Table 1). Child poverty is rampant in the U.S., with more than 20 percent of school-age children living in poor families (Snyder & Dillow, 2012, Table 27). And poverty rates for Black and Hispanic families are three times the rates for White families.”

Again you seem to be pushing a race aspect when the problem is connected to socio-economic class.

 

I understand your tired old arguments. Your anecdotal experience in London is not exactly statistically relevant and your analogy to being on a street full of women and not percieving a physical threat is ridiculous. Let me lay this out in the form of a tight syllogism so that you might have a target to aim at with your criticism.

People of African descent have an IQ that is 2 standard deviations lower than people of Eurasian descent.
Low IQ is strongly correlated to poverty, attachment to dogma, and violent behavior.
African communites are bound to be more impoverished, dogmatic, and violent ON AVERAGE than their Eurasian cousins. Wherever they are found in the world.

Ghettos are a microcosm of Africa, only flat screen TVs and XBOXs are within walking distance.

 

Here let me smash that assertion to pieces


http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
But there is a major flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:
• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.
• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.
• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.

 

Dr. William Shockley predicted these widening gaps of test scores and intelligence in 1974 by reference to census data that made clear the following

(5.4) children per uneducated Black Woman v (1.9) children per college educated Black Woman
[SIZE=13.63636302948px](3.5) children per uneducated White Woman v (2.3) children per college educated White Woman[/SIZE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAszZr3SkEs

No one listened then and people don't want to listen now.

 

I went to a high school that had a long history of racial violence. I saw plenty of it myself.

 

Nerd

Calling an argument tired does not counter that argument – why do I have to keep explaining to people that saying such things is not a rational or reasonable counter argument?

I didn’t say my experience in London was ‘statistically relevant’ ’ it was my experience of things compared to the experience presented by newo. I’m not even sure what statistical relevance you are talking about?

Why ridiculous? Why is he nervous about black people more than white or women or any other human?

The validity of IQ testing is still under question as is the data you are using so…

As I’ve said you seem to have begun with a premise and then ‘chosen’ things that seem to back it up while refusing to address criticisms of your premise.

 

Karen

Who was it being directed at and why was it allowed to happen for so long?

 

Preaching to the choir isn't as satisfactory

 

Nerd

Syllogism LOL did you put this in to sound like an intellectual or something? Me a prefer to call a spade a spade.

I’m presuming you are not referring to the usage of it as being a - specious or crafty argument but in the other way of a conclusion based on other conclusions, basically a belief based on other beliefs.

But I’m not sure your beliefs stand up - they seem to be based on prejudice rather than the rational. You seem to be trying to scapegoat what you dislike rather than seek understanding and rational solutions.

 

I'm referring to the Aristotelian definition that forms the underpinning of formal logic... and I put the syllogism in standard form... here I'll number it for you.

1. People of African descent, on average, have an IQ that is 2 standard deviations lower than people of Eurasian descent.
2. Low IQ is strongly correlated to poverty, attachment to dogma, and violent behavior.
3. Genetically African communites are bound to be more impoverished, dogmatic, and violent ON AVERAGE than their Eurasian cousins. Wherever they are found in the world.

 

Balbus address this:

• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

 

you're putting the cart before the horse.

 

People listen and the less than circumspect become convinced.

The U.S. total fertility rate for 2012 is 1.881

• 1.886 for White Americans
  1.762 for non-Hispanic Whites

[*]1.900 for Black Americans

• 1.899 for non-Hispanic Blacks

[*]1.350 for Native Americans (including Hispanics)
[*]1.770 for Asian Americans (including Hispanics)
Other:

• 2.189 for Hispanics (of all racial groups)

Shockley evidently isn't a good prognosticator nor statistical analyst.

 

I can only assume that means you think white people prevented SS Africans from developing the wheel or agriculture or schools or sailing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeKN4iCbMFM#t=4m24s

 

One important fact Nerd forgets is his attitude and beliefs help to perpetuate these differences.


Nobody is questioning the correlation between low IQ and violent/criminal behavior. That has been pretty well known for a long time.
You fail when you attempt to use race as an explanation for these trends.

In the first thread you started on this campaign of yours I plainly spelled out the errors with your premise and conclusions.
why not answer those instead of spamming your racist views across the forums.

and as Balbus asked, so what is your solution to this that doesn't violate a persons human rights and isn't something that was already proposed by Hitler?

 

I've offered refuting evidence but I noticed that when we do that you change the subject. The last time changing to you guys accept this meme which had nothing to do with the previous discussion. You are arguing a position that has been exposed as errant in fact and in interpretation. On Shockley again he begs off being racist by inventing his own definition for racism, saying that it is associated with irrational feelings of fear and hate.

The correct definition,

1. 
   
   
   a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
   
   
   
   

1. 
   
   
   having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
   
   
   
   

 

Umm... Dope... The main takeaway is not the total fertility rate but the

uneducated birth rate
vs the
educated birth rate

Would you be so kind as to pull up those numbers if they're available? They're certainly not PC, they're probably not readily accessible.