Arafat dead?

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by Zonk, Nov 4, 2004.

  1. BraveSirRubin

    BraveSirRubin Members

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    With Sharon's wall, niether side will "bother" each other. For a lack of access. If the global commuinty and the Palestinian authority learns to accept the plan, then Palestine will be an independent state in no time. I would preffer to see no more deaths, and that will be the case in Palestine. If the wall is constructed, Israel can shift its focus to target the actually Al-Quaeda sponsered terrorist groups such as the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, which reside outside of Israel.
     
  2. showmet

    showmet olen tomppeli

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    Hmm, and in your happy little world that's true is it?


    Right, OK ... so it's not acceptable to kill civilians, you have conceded that. This is because innocent civilians have fundamental human rights, yes? Even in a war zone, even while under belligerent occupation. This is because they are innocent civilians, right? How about letting them have their rights in line with international law and the fourth Geneva Convention? The wall has been declared illegal by the ICJ at the Hague, and the UN General Assembly. Amnesty International points out how the wall is a violation of the fundamental human rights of civilians in the occupied Palestinian territories:

    "When completed, the fence/wall will cut off more than 15% of the West Bank land from the rest of the West Bank and some 270,000 Palestinians living in these areas will be trapped in closed military areas between the fence/wall and the Green Line or in enclaves encircled by the fence/wall.(10) More than 200,000 Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem will also be cut off from the West Bank and hundreds of thousands of other Palestinians living in towns and villages to the east of the fence/wall will also be affected as they need access to the areas on the other side of the fence/wall to reach their land and their workplaces, schools and health care facilities and other services, and to visit their relatives."

    "The building of this fence/wall mostly inside the Occupied Territories does not benefit in any way the Palestinian population living under Israeli occupation in the West Bank. On the contrary, it has severely negative consequence for hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, notably unprecedented disproportionate and discriminatory restrictions on their movements within the Occupied Territories and other violations of their fundamental rights, including the right to work, to food, to medical care, to education, and to an adequate standard of living."

    "In their present form, the fence/wall and accompanying restrictive measures imposed on the Palestinians are inherently discriminatory. They specifically target Palestinians - because they are Palestinians - and are not proportionate, for they are imposed on all Palestinians and not on specific individuals who are reasonably considered to pose a security threat. In the enclaves which are now encircled by the fence/wall the restrictions on movement and permit requirements are only imposed on Palestinians and not on Israelis who live in or visit the settlements in those areas."

    In other words, this is the oppression of a people. A race, if you like. They are being forced into ghettos, their movements restricted by a dominant military force which illegally occupies / confiscates their land and livelihood and treats them in a discriminatory fashion, these innocent civilians, because of who they are. Hmm, would you call this racist oppression? Fascist oppression perhaps? Parrallels?


    Amnesty report quoted from:
    http://www.amnestyusa.org/business/document.do?id=A5A7559C1A7F515480256E3800688A6E
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Cheap and Cheerful

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    A lot of this is also about control of Temple Mount. I can't see there being any peace until this is resolved.
     
  4. showmet

    showmet olen tomppeli

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    Precisely ... removing the human rights of civilians and enforcing illegal occupation with further injustice and illegality is just going to fuel more anti-Israeli sentiment and make peace harder to achieve.
     
  5. Col

    Col Member

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    you some sort of psychopath? you have the empathy of one.
    Parents caring for them? have you ever lived in or have been a parent in a war zone? that sort of life is so far removed from yours or mine that we cannot possibly make judgements/ The only thing I can say is that life is precious to whoever holds it, and so to expend it whimsically takes one totally f'd up situation. That being I wouldn't ever think to blame the kids for being stupid.

    don't keep believing this twaddle fantasy about organised terrorism. Acts of terrorism are horrible and to be avoided if possible, but all this current crap about it is purely fear mongering to keep up the votes.
     
  6. Kabbalist

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    You have to be there to see it, and I did. Look at the Palestinian protests, it are all kids or very young adults. Just sended there by their teachers and imam's. Don't blame the parents, because they're trying to keep their child'ren at home. But as you already know, a woman's word against her son doesn't count...

    And why be sad over the dead of a terrorist, which Arafat was. Okay, maybe to the West he looked really charming but in fact he did nothing to stop the suicide bombings, he encouraged it! Also his political influence was really overrated.

    I hope that his dead is the start of peace negotiations which will bring stability to the Mid-East, I really hope it will.
     
  7. Paul

    Paul Cheap and Cheerful

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    You could say exactly the same about Israel
     
  8. FreakyJoeMan

    FreakyJoeMan 100% Batshit Insane

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    In recent news, Yasser Arafat is still dead.
     
  9. TreeHouse

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    By the way I would like to point out that in the year 2000. The then Israeli prime minister offered the Palestinians their own state which would comprise of 95 per cent of the West Bank, all of the Gaza Strip, the dismantling of most Israeli settlements in the occuppied terrortries, desalination plants so a plentiful supply of fresh water for the Palestinians could be had. In exchange for the continued occupation of 5 per cent of the West Bank the Gaza Strip would be increased by a third. The state would also be contiguous after complaints by arabs that it would not be. Refugees would be allowed to return to the new state as well. But Arafat turned down the peace plan thus denying the Palestinian people a homeland. How could the Palestinians ever trust him again after that!:mad:
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  10. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    Thankfuly they won't need too anymore..whatever his reasons and i am sure you will be told them ...it was not the best thing imho.
     

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