anyone want to tell me drugs are safe? I'll debate you.

Oohhh, SNAP!!!

 

Just because the user is stupid doesn't mean drugs are bad.

 

depends on the fuckin drug, you cant just say all drugs are a certain way because all drugs are unique to themselves. many psycoative drugs are very safe, such as marijuana, lsd, mushrooms and such. sure theres some side effects but nothing life threatening. they basically show a person a different perspective of reality, are you afraid to leave the myth that your everyday reality is the only reality?

now to disaccociative drugs (ketamine, dxm, pcp), these have alot more potential risks in there use when compared to psycedellic drugs. but just because of potential danger doesnt mean you should avoid them, i mean people go sky diving and climb mountains all the time but the risks involved are considered worth the experience.

i wont go into drugs such as crack, coke, and heroin, cause their not accociated with mind expansion but rather the primative pleasure impulse. not saying their use is always negative, its just the dangers involved may out way the benefits for certain individuals.

drug use is a timeless pratice, since the begining of time man sought to alter his conscieceness. from marijuana use mentioned in the hindu holy texts, to sharman in america using peyote and mushrooms, even to christians drinking wine at communion. drug use is found in every corner of the world and cizilization.

why is a rapid changes in percepton bad? it can cause create a good deal of stress on the individual yeah, but you have to weight out the benefits. change in conscieceness allows a person to see the world and themselves in a new way, without all the pointless predjudices and customs man invented.
you advocate meditation as an alternative, but let me ask you something, if you had to get to the top of a skyscraper in a hurry would you use the stairs or just jump on the elevator to the top? the evelator of course refers to psycoative drugs (dissaccociative drugs can also) . it doesnt matter how a person becomes enlightened and learns the true nature of what ego is, pray, meditation, fasting, and drugs, they are different methods used to reach the same destination, but since times an issue (no one knows when their gonna die) drugs are a good option if used in a mature non-abusive fashion.

so in conclusion drug use has many benefits if used resposibly, but like anything good in this world they also have risks. who wants to live in a sterile risk free world anyway?

 

well drugs do have the ability to MAKE you stupid, however intelligent you were to start with!
it's not my weakness anymore!!!..But looking at the different perspectives now from the users side.....doing them , never talked about them at all...just tripped and spoke about the batch etc.. now though for the first time i'm looking at other parts of drug culture and in a way it's closing my mind as to their 'benefits'
yeah some american drug companies have made little pills that wipe out epidemics in africa with one dose....but that comes at a huge cost to some charity..having to raise money from tax payers! hah a i sound old. it just makes me think the way they work...not just in the breif mind expansion....that to be honist is just selfish justification compared to the ways that a paticular drug reached you in the first place.[exploitation]..i'm obviously reffering to crack amphetamines, opiates rich drugs etc..
so fk that..they're out now.
psychedelics..hey i've done them.i don't need to anymore.
cannabis.....pain killer..uses of hemp , grow your own etc..
psychoactives cause a ruckuss that makes you look at the world differently.
i think it is sad that people need to use such a tactic for awareness..but its not surprising considering the way we live...all users are considered wasted parts of society just becasue they took the only route they could find..out. But thats the fault of the way the majority live. then thats not their fault either!!

earlier i think i wrote.about this choice...a short life deserves short pleasures...or a long life prepares... they're equally crazy options, just because WHO KNOWS??!

 

I know- that's who!

Abuse is bad. ALL abuse. TV. Internet. Surfing. Dope.

There's more to life than ONE thing!

Get high and play with life- don't just be a wastiod.

 

I would NEVER say that........which is why Harm Reduction is so important.

 

sorry, what is harm reduction?

 

Harm reduction is exactly what it says: the reduction of harm. Basically it is the concept that information and resources can be spread to users in order to maintain a standard of safety. Organizations such as Erowid, Lycaeum, Dancesafe, etc. promote the spreading of data and/or materials that will reduce the risk people take when experimenting with psychedelics, like collecting experience reports, testing samples, and providing accurate technical data on specific substances (when available).

 

right. never met one.

 

Your drug problems are not hte drugs fault they are yours and you should not say that drugs are evil and yell at people when they do drugs, if you think they are making bad choices just like you did then try to help them. Some people can live thier life normally when useing drugs and doesnt change how they work and do things.

 

Right, Eat Some! Also individuals who have knowlege about recreationals and or pharmaceuticals who will answer questions for people looking to learn before they eat/snort/smoke/shoot/whatever a certain substance.

There is a number of Harm Reduction Advocates on Hip Forums. Some from the Health Care professions, some with a lot of personal knowlege from experience, some with a background in chemistry and some with a mix of these.

Ignorance is the cause of MOST poor outcome substance experiements.

 

You never met a Harm Reduction Advocate, or never met a "safe" drug?

 

well i must be one nowadays. more of a hazordous warning some of the things i come out with . the totally obscene thing is...for someone who tried it, [for a few years..found pot at 12..the rest came quite quick]
anyhow, i'm surprised more and more each day how ANTI. i am. it's ridiculous. like i was punishing myself at the time by experimenting with things that deep down i really really, oppose to.
head fuck! totally strange stuff.

 

It's that "holier than thou" attitude "reformed" alchoholics often get.

 

I would love to dose this ignorant little fuck with high power blotter acid then leave him in the desert.


IF YOU DON'T LIKE DRUGS THEN DON'T DO THEM.

and keep you bullshit to yourself.

 

i'd say it's the cause of most substance experiments.
you don't know what it is, so you take it to find out...

I'm glader each day that I don't 'partake' as they say when offering!, some people make me feel ill by just looking at them. and i know now why I was with a group, of people before, i know now why those snobs and condescending types of other groups, avoided me.

I don't consider drugs BAD. sobreiety GOOD, and everyone should stick to that. jesus, there are times when a stiff drink or spliff is nessercary!

I do think though as a general rule, they are stupid, dangerous addictive, etc unpubliscied therfore carry a high level of lack of awareness, therfore are highly exploited abused and damaging, making underhand profits for dodgy deviants, [not you small time weed sellers!..the big dogs]
growing in abuse and neglected in concern.

Why is drug culture a secret affair for the outsider inclusive?
I mean..rave=ecstacy=loving strangers night of untimely bliss and understanding with the sommon people.

I'm saying we are seriously messed up if we have to do that in order to relate to each other. I'm not saying it isn't neccersary, becuase it it bltantly is sometimes, as the only way to 'get through' or communicate fluidly...
But it is sad that that is where we are.

 

yep, I do agree. ^^ well if i come acorss as sterile you haven't seen some of the exercises we do. dragon stances are lurid colourful far out girning sweating exhilerations of experience!

. Lsd made reality be considered in the 60's, like how is this one, more/less real than the other one. How could that be generlly bad, people considering reality!! No thats just great. but then there was thatcher in the 80's..booo conservatives. and now we at the threat of nuclear war which i think is making people travel into the alternative reality...to get away from the other one, with an increasing induldgence..yes amongst this shit there is a greater and real love that will forgive everything. but spending too much time living there on synthetic kickstarts is pretty wasteful when it only perpetuates craving for getting away...and yes i'm not talking about everyone..not to you responsible ones. please don't take it personally.
I'm reffering to the increase of drug use, and the escalation of terror, in their relativity.

 

lol. I would quite enjoy that. I'm going desert trekking next year. sort me out then!

 

well if you do all the drugs known to man, you're gonna get fucked up. What kinda dumbass doesn't know this

 

well thats what i'm talking about....dumb people don't know how to use drugs..and thats dangerous. it's dangerous they're escape tools for vulnerable/unsure people who aren't in a very clever state of mind to start with. I'M NO T REFFERING TO THE CLEVER ONES ! they're are clever enough to look after themselves.
But people take all sorts of drugs from their gp and dpon't know what they are...i'd say thats dumb.