Anyone up for a debate ?

I'll debate. Smoking weed will make you retarded.

I'll backup my contention.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?threadid=348074

 

Join the Circus.

 

Hmm perhaps we should ask this question for debate as well.
What if all drugs were legalized?
What are the pros? What are the cons?

 

Pro - we'd be able to kill of the weak in our societies without murdering them.
Con - Here in England we're running out of places to bury people
Pro - more taxing means more money.
Con - it won't last long, once the weak people are dead no one will buy that shit.
Pro - it'll be funny to watch.
Con - Stupid junkies like to steal.

Overall I think it'd be a fun science experiment.

 

Too many to write up so i'll pick two.

Cons:
If all were legalised then there would be a financial impact.
Millions of hours of lost productivity.
You think we're in a recession now.
You aint seen nothing yet.

What message does it send out that we as a society don't mind people taking crack cocaine? Whatever next? Bringing back hanging!

Pros:

Erm...

 

The government closed many military bases over the last decade.I propose one or more bases be the destination for all hard drug users.Free drugs ,food.and lodging to be paid for out of the national budget.Put the word out that those who want to use(ruin) themselves with heroin,crack,meth,ect can come and stay as long as they like.The inhabitants could not leave unless they went through a years' hardcore re-hab and job training if needed,which would be provided on the bases.I'll bet that would be cheaper than the havoc created in societies now by thieving,lying,murdering cartels and hard core junkies.Radical times call for departures from the usual methods,ie:radical solutions.Never happen ,of course.And legalise Pot for everyone 18 up.

 

I think you may have forgotten about Texas, where in recent history marijuana possession was a life sentence.

 

What's to debate?

charmander, of course.

Switzerland, they have all the money.

Fruit pies, real fruit.

Of course we should pound the Euro.

No, we should take it seriously.

Pirates of course, they get all the women.

Yes, but I’m not so sure about curling.

 

Lol hmm personally I see all unnatural drugs as a bad thing. Anything that you cannot simply go out and find in nature is sure to be bad for you as I see it. Not that everything you find in nature is good for you either.

 

Sorry, already mentioned in post #31.

 

this dumbass argument is the primary reason weed will never be legalized.

 

????

 

Last night I had found a list of states that were pushing for legalization.

Crap... I dug thru my history and couldn't find it.

 

i exaggerated. it is far from the primary reason for illegalization, but it is indeed a dumbass argument that is greatly overused in the legalization debate even though there is absolutely no truth to it.

 

The important distinction that needs to be made is that drug abusers aren't criminals. They are victims.

People do drugs despite its illegality. Making it legal won't necessarily raise the number of users. If anything, it would bring this issue to the light o day instead of remaining underground as it is now, which is dangerous for society and those that participate in a certain lifestyle. If we made it legalized, then it would no longer be a crime to use these drugs - The underground will no longer exist and society will begin to slowly understand what this issue really is about - Therefore, people with problems can get the help they need without being stigmatized and labeled as criminals.

There are productive drug users, and there are unproductive drug users (and unproductive non-drug users ) Classifying all drug users as abusers that have no productive value is an invalid argument because that assumes that all users are abusers, and that all users are unproductive. If we have people with drug problems then it would make more sense to send them to drug abuse programs rather than sitting in jail doing nothing but cost the state a lot of money. Instead of sitting in jail rotting away, it makes more sense to try to rehabilitate them and to make them productive citizens again.

Whatever issue we have with drug abusers would would be dealt with drug abuse programs. Not the jail system. The jail system doesn't have the tools necessary to deal with drug addiction/abuse. That's the equivalent to having people with mental disorders being put in jail rather than a mental institution (which actually does happen... you have schizophrenics, people with dementia, and people with all kinds mental disorders being wrongly placed in jail). It makes zero sense.

Whoever describes abusers as criminals do not understand basic psychology and the excruciating effects that addiction can have. Addiction to coke, for example, is a very powerful addiction because coke begins to be used and understood as food for the body. So not fulfilling the addiction is as painful a feeling as being starved to death.

Making drugs legal isn't the same as the promotion of its use. The government can still frown on its use by initiating all types of programs to get people away from trying/using drugs, but would do so without coercion. Simply getting people to talk openly and HONESTLY about this issue and how it can and cannot affect your life would be much more effective. This would be very effective, and it would definitely be better than putting blind fear into people about drugs. For example, explaining to people that trying coke once will lead to addiction and destroy your life isn't exactly honest. While on the other hand, explaining that while trying isn't necessarily danger, you should still try to stay away because it may lead to problems later on, and that life may be better off if you can focus on the good things of life - Turning drugs into something that is taboo isn't really a wise decision because people are attracted to taboos. The most ironic thing about the War on Drugs is that it ends up promoting and encouraging drug use, regardless of intention - What a waste of human resources and money.

The only difference is that now addicts can be treated as addicts/victims rather than criminals.

I still believe in the War on Drugs, just an improved version of it. The tactics that are used just need some tweaking.

 

what a ghey debate


firstly, who cares if it is ever legalized. As long as you aren't out flaunting it around in public, driving around hot boxing in your car, and just generally acting a fool, then there is absolutey NO way that anyone would ever know you did it, making it pretty much impossible to get busted.

simple. Don't be a retard and use it resposibly. EVERY case of kids (and adults too) getting busted for pot stems back to stupidity on their part. Sorry, but thats the way it is. Week after week, I read stories of people getting busted, and everytime they were doing one of the things I mentioned above.

and don't EVEN try to use the argument that you can drive better stoned. NO you can't

NO one can. You might THINK you can, but trust me, you can't.


hate all you want. God has spoken.

 

Are you sure about that?
When you say "recent history" - when are we talking?

http://www.mpp.org/states/texas/

 

A nice post but it read like you were not responding to anything that had been said in this thread...but were inferring people had.
I could be wrong.

 

I think the marijuana possession law here in Texas is less than 2 ounces get you 6 months jail and a 2k fine. Anything more than that and you get an express pass to death row... well maybe not that extreme but this is Texas, shit man, you never know.

 

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I'll just make sure I am not carrying 2,000 lbs or more (chance be a fine thing).