anyone here racist???

Okay, back from my cat nap and wow, what should I have expected. I suppose you'll also blame me for the "nigg." rep while you're throwing out unfounded accusations and labeling me and others. I find it quite ironic that you constantly say "you don't know me", and then you continue to assume no one has any real experience with anything at a young age. You need to understand that you don't understand who I am for obvious reasons, and I conversely don't understand who you are,... neither of us have talked to each other at any real length, nor would I want to I'm beginning to find.

Suggestion:If you want a productive argument, argue only points, refute only points, and never use arbitrary insults that are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Yes, expecially considering that in 2 paragraphs you're about to call me arrogant, stupid and "probably ugly".

Okay, and what are these ramifications? I argued that as many blacks treat whites with disrespect and racism as do whites to black. This is passed down as well. Exactly what other traditions and their "ramifications" are you talking about? People being treated with disrespect is not oppression. Do you mean the Yale Skull 'N Bones society, ivy league, living-in-the-hills-not-letting-Jerome-go-to-the-top elitists wearing a V-neck and sipping a dry Martini in Concord? Because this guy won't let middle or lower-class white boys all the way to the top either. It's a form of W.A.S.P. control through restriction. These people are about 6% of our country's population. In this instance, I'm oppressed as well.

Do you mean Jerome with no credit or terrible credit, who walked into a bank wearing "FUBU" or a doo-rag failing to get a loan is racism? John. Q whiteman, if he has no credit, bad credit and presents himself in an improper and completely unpresentable way will walk away from this exprience with the same failure.

Are you talking about the same Jerome who was born into a poor family in the ghetto to a poor, uneducated mother who goes to lousy schools? He can't help the situation into which he was born, but he can study very hard, and strive through the adversity, make it to 18-years old and pick up a FASFA and Robert T. Schleischer form. I guarantee he'd qualify for atleast 15 of the $3,000-$15,000 scholarships given out under the 1965 Civil Rights Act, subsequent 1981 Reagan Affirmitive Action Reinforcement Act, as well as the 1988 Civil Liberties Act. The N.A.A.C.P. also has several grants amassing up to $25,000, as does the American Civil Liberties Union. The rest he'd have to pay off over time.

Sure the "American Dream" is now a nightmare, but if Jerome has some discipline, average intelligence, and a lot of initiative, he can make that for himself and get out of the ghetto. If he didn't, the blame would them be placed solely on him. I also assure you, many whites and hispanics go through the same adversity. Besides all of that, Affirmitave Action makes it so that Jerome is first in line before Jason. This has been the case for 40 years. My take on it is, if the people in the ghetto did not take advantage of affirmitive action, and did not have enough initiative to get out of the ghetto, it's no one's fault that they still live there, or that thier children willl be born there and perpetuate the cycle,... that is, if they don't choose to utilize the measures put in place for him or her.

If you're dressed in ghetto rags, whites will avoid you, as would any other intelligent human being. This is not about race, this is about how you present yourself. White guys who dress like a metalhead retard in spikes will get the same reaction, and more than likely wonder why. If a black man walked by in a Polo top and Hagar slacks, I'm sure all the scared old people (of any race) would stay on the same side of the street. In fact, I'm sure of it, because one of my good friends (black man, obviously) is in networking and dresses this way. Funny, people treat him like a human. Dress like a slob, what do you expect from society?

So, can you present some empirical evidence that supports the idea that these "ramifications" still exist to such an extent the blacks are having trouble functioning in society? Oppression, like I said, does not depend on attitudes from people of any race, it depends on the power of who is oppressing. If Jethro in the boonies calls Jerome a ******,... he's not oppressing him, simply because he has no power over that man's life nor any clout. He's merely being an idiot racist. I didn't say that oppression didn't still exist in one form or another anyway. The average wage has gone up for blacks according the the B.L.S., but they're still making 10C less on average than a white male. And, something that will never be proven empirically, but does exist certainly, would be those aforementioned Yale skull and bones elitist white men in higher positions favoring a white male...from the hills. I'm simply saying the way you described it was on extremely, and obviously fallible grand-scale; it was if you were saying blacks have no opportunity for improvent, and the proverbial whip is still being cracked, and not just cracked, but in such a way that an intelligent, determined Jerome can't attain the same job as a white boy from the middle class. But, neither Jerome, nor the white kid from the middle class are going to get any really high positions within the coperate world, for reasons I've explained before. Best bet would be to go into internal medicine, or scientific fields as according the the B.L.S., they are the most fair in equal opportunity, and will take Jerome if he knows how to do his job.
Any boy from the ghetto or from the the boonies in a trailer park are going to have to work very hard and have a lot of initiative if they're going to make it to the top but like I said, that is now less the "man's" fault, as it is the fault of the parents for not taking advantage years ago the measures put into place for young "upwardly mobile" (which they obviously weren't) blacks.

Ironic, ofcourse you want a fair and intelligent argument when it fits you, but when it doesn't, you turn into a child spouting irrelevant and asinine comments about me and my character. I have no idea what you know at your age, nor you what I. I am what's wrong with the world? How so? When was I ever racist? I was not.

Do you know what arrogant means? I can be arrogant, yes, but I was not in this instance. If you believe anyone who places an argument against you is arrogant, your world must be full of arrogance. Stupid? Again, ironic. Probably ugly? Well, I have pictures of myself in my gallery, but my aesthetics would be irrelevant in this instance as this is not a beauty contest - the only venue I can think of, in which beauty is relevant. My physical appearance is certainly not relevant in an argument, and I'd suggest you keep the childish insults to yourself. I could say anything about you in this instance, but I will not unless I am looking for the argument to go off on a moronic tangent all its own.

When did I say all blacks were "well-off"? Where's that quote? But, if you check the Bureau of Labor Statistics and Census from 2004, you'll see how many blacks now have 6 figure jobs or better, and a house in a nice area in which they pay a mere 5% property tax. I consider this well-off. Like I said before, the people in the ghetto have had measures put in place for their success, and if they chose not to make these work to their advantage, and if they chose not to work their way out of the ghetto, that's no longer my problem or my concern, nor, honestly, was it ever my problem or upon me for concern. You have a problem with the very extensive measures put in place? Lobby your state government for change, do not come to every middle-class to lower-class white Joe like me, who has no position to change anything with which you have a problem. Don't call me a racist because I don't feel guilty about people not working their way up out of a bad situation. It's sad they were born into a poor family, but I don't feel guilty as I've never done anything to feel such a way. Whites and hispanics have to do the same, and I admit that there are more blacks and hispanics at this point because of those "ramifications" still playing out, but they've had 40 years to change their place, and they'll probably continue to have and at this point, they're just as at fault as any other race that was born into poor families and didn't work their way out.

Wow, advocation and threats of violence over a simple dispute; you're really making a good name for your race with this one. How do you know I wouldn't take advantage of the opportunity to defend myself against you? How do you know I wouldn't simply put you into a half catatonic state and then call the proper authorities? Never know, maybe someone might not be intimidated by you and maybe might know how to immobilize an unruly and immenant threat. You want to go to jail? Act like a primitive idiot like this in the real world.

 

MusicMan 19 why do you have an avatar with a peace sign, you're false advertising...
why are you even on hippy.com?

 

Again, where did you see me being violent? The only thing there close to violent there was the last comment, and yes, if someone attacks me as she was promoting, I'm going to utilize my ability for self-defense. You want to let someone beat you senseless and not do anything about it or not know the proper way to do anything about it? Be my guest. Where else in that post was there anything similar to violence or an insult? There wasn't.

 

and who's ass have i kissed?

that's funny

 

Well, being peaceful is a good way to be,... being spineless and not knowing a proper way (which doesn't actually involve much pain for the recieving end) to immobilize a threat in sake of self-defense certainly is not.

 

I'm not reading all that shit

especially since I don't care what you say


black, white, or even fucking purple ....you are an asshole

and I'm racist against assholes

 

Celenzo X I don't even think you're a racist, I just think you like to get a rise

 

I'm not a hypocrit, I just have little tolerance for people that consider me a "wild monkey" or lazy because of my race

I'm me, no cardboard cutout of anything

and I believe in violence

what I said I said because if we had been face to face and he made those comments to me, I would have busted him dead in his face

call it what you want.....its the truth

 

and I'm an ass kisser...
woohoo!

 

what ****** post? what is the post number?

 

I already knew that, really. I guess that's what makes the place interesting? I don't know.

 

well...........I can't help it

I'm such a GOOD smartass

 

I didn't call you any names, I was never crass with you,... I was simply stating that you've made a flawed statement. You'd try to beat someone up for that? You deserve to be in jail, in this case, and I assume it won't be much longer until you end up there. If you knew you were smarter than someone else, violence wouldn't mean a thing to you. You could just as easily walk away from someone saying something you thought was stupid. Only the ignorant must use fists outside of a situation of self-defense. This speaks much about your character.

 

miss fontella, your my hero.

 

blah blah blah blah blah


and I'm still smarter than you

 

For...? I suppose it's pretty easy to win the viliant awards these days.

 

for pissing you off

 

OOOjjdjdd

 

She didn't piss me off, she allowed me to show her the error of her statements.

What ever happened to people in here like BraveSirRubin, who, if they said something about a subject with any weight whatsoever, would actually know how to, and/or take the time to actually carry out an argument? When did people get so irresponsible (for making such statements), stupid and lazy?

 

SUCH an asshole