Anti-Male Bias all around us.

I know!!! That's what I felt like saying. I am a,one for two weeks right now...not fun. Justifying myself to her would have let her know she got to me. Winking and saying what I said infuriated her to no end.

 

What's wrong with Dr. laura?

 

LOL. Such blantant ignorance. Truly, you are a ConfuzzledOne.

About the nursing thing:

Nurses belong to a union in the United States of America. Once they receive certain training and are qualified to perform certain advanced procedures, they are therefore counted as a supervisor that must supervise these job procedures and are no longer qualified to be a part of their union. They have no collective bargaining tools accessible to them. Managers, Supervisors and Doctors are not allowed to be part of their union - and they don't always make more money than a nurse does.

This is the reality.

There are only a number of available spaces for students in professional programs, and not all professional programs accept women into these programs as they do males.

You should really get involved with labour unions and the labour force if you feel like there is a male-bias uprising. Could be a refreshing wake up call. Best of luck.

 

I'm reminded of a Philosophy course I took in college on ethics. One of the major concepts was that it's unethical to treat people as a means to an end (like objects); instead, people should be treated as and end unto themselves. Yet our sexist stereotypes teach us to look at our prospective mates in terms of what they can do for us, not for who they are. Like in my younger days, women would treat me like some kinda boy toy, I felt used.

That Dr Laura seems to have some good ideas, but I don't see myself reading it at length, it's a bit over-the-top rich for my blood, like that "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" drivel, but then I'm a guy, so I'm wired differently. Good thing I'm with a feminist who understands and accepts my differences. Like she says to our daughter, "daddy's just a hairy, scratchy, stinky guy, but that's OK, we love him anyway"...

 

*sigh*

Sorry ya'll, I don't check this sight too much anymore. Let's bring this back to the first page.

You think I don't get it Confuzzled? I don't disagree with your feelings at the heart. I'm just way ahead of you. You've been forced into your gender role. Whenever you deviate from it, forces come to bear that punish you for it. I know how it works, and it sucks.

So what are you going to do about it? I'll tell you what I did. I started this god damn forum. And it wasn't easy, that's for sure. But female feminists were some of my greatest allies in that struggle.

I had to temper my anger to do it. Anger is a powerful emotion that can be used for constructive purpose, but only if well tempered. You're not there yet, and the past 13 pages are really just a reflection of the reaction you get when you go about things in nonconstructive manner.

To soaring eagle : Fuck off. Men are not the source of all evil in our culture. We are forced into our gender role because that's what societies do to their people, not because of some sort of rational reaction to the horrible things we do to people. What you're doing is called blaming the victim.

 

The problem is a lot deeper then male bashing. Just listen to a lot of the females posting in this thread and you can see the selfish attitudes of women nowadays.

The problem is that boys have no father. Women have systematically removed the father from the picture. They've gotten laws passed to back up their feminist dribble.

I saw too many posts in this thread with women spitting out their hateful male bashing. The most widely used lately in the media is the "rape" statistics. I have a post that I saved from another board that I think will interest quite a few people here.
My argument was, is and always will be, "a woman cannot teach a boy to be a man". Period! Guys, stop taking their advice on this matter. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Enjoy:

Here is just a bit of data on the subject. The numbers vary depending on the study, but they all indicate a serious problem.


* 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978)
* 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
* 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
* California has the nation's highest juvenile incarceration rate and the nation's highest juvenile unemployment rate. Vincent Schiraldi, Executive Director, Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, "What Hallinan's Victory Means," San Francisco Chronicle (12/28/95).



A Michigan study has found that "boat or refugee children" living at or below the poverty level outperform American children in the classroom. [EWING95]

A similar study in Pennsylvania found that "poor, intact families performed better academically than financially well-to-do children from single-parent households." [EWING95]

Violent crime rates, teen suicide, teen pregnancies and low academic performance are all high in single-parent households.

Poor, intact families have higher academic achievement rates than do rich, single-parent families.



"'Exposure to single motherhood at some point during adolescence increases the risk [of a daughter's later becoming a single mother] by nearly [150 percent] for whites and.....by about 100 percent for blacks.'"
Sara S. McLanahan, "Family Structure and Dependency: Reality Transitions to Female Household Headship," Demography 25, Feb., 1988, 1-16. Cited in Amneus, The Garbage Generation, page 240

A recent study for the journal Criminology has revealed that "neighborhoods with larger portions of adults who are less 'invested' in marriage and residential stability are more likely to see higher rates of assault by African-American males." Analysis of the data reveals that "the proportion of residents without married couples...maintains the strongest relationship with intimate assault rates for African-Americans..." This leads to the conclusion that "lower levels of marital commitments and stable residents constitute...significant barriers to the development of social capital [an important determinant of healthy community life] among minorities."
Woodredge, J. and Thistlethwaite, A. (2003) Neighborhood structure and race-specific rates of intimate assault. Criminology, v41. Retrieved from The Family in America, April 2004.




Fatherless youth at higher risk for jail - study

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Young men who grow up in homes without fathers are twice as likely to end up in jail as those who come from traditional two-parent families, according to a new study released Thursday.

Cynthia Harper of the University of Pennsylvania and Sara S. McLanahan of Princeton University tracked a sample of 6,000 males aged 14-22 from 1979-93.

They found that those boys whose fathers were absent from the household had double the odds of being incarcerated -- even when other factors such as race, income, parent education and urban residence were held constant.

Surprisingly, those boys who grow up with a step-father in the home were at even higher risk for incarceration, roughly three times that of children who remain with both of their natural parents, according to a study being presented at a meeting of the American Sociological Association Friday.

``Remarriage of parents doesn't help,'' Harper said. ``A step-parent in the household doesn't erase the father absent problem.''

The sociologists launched their study in an effort to shed new light on the increase of youth violence between the late 1980's and early 1990's.

``It has become a lot less unusual for youth to become involved in violent crime,'' Harper said. ``I wanted to see if there was any connection between youth violence and major family changes that have occurred over the last few decades.''

Overall, the U.S. youth crime rate rose by 43 percent between 1989 and 1993. Since then, however, the youth violent crime rate dropped by about 25 percent, according to Justice Department figures.

Officials have credited the drop, which mirrored a wider drop in overall crime rates, in part to new community policing initiatives and tougher penalties for youth crime.

Still, juveniles accounted for nearly one out of five arrests for violent crimes in 1996. And youths aged 12 to 17 were three times as likely as adults to be victims of a violent crime in 1994, Justice Department figures show.

Incarceration can lead to further crime, according to specialists. A 1997 study at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, found that juveniles who went to jail were twice as likely to commit another crime than those who were sent to a alternative programs.

The study of 271 at-risk youths also found that the juveniles sent to jail were three times more likely to commit a violent crime than those sent to other programs.

Harper and McLanahan's study found that young men whose parents part ways during their adolescence were roughly 1-1/2 times as likely to end up in jail as children from intact families -- faring slightly better than boys who are born to single mothers.

It also found that, while whites have lower rates of father absenteeism than blacks, when families do split white youth are at a higher risk of incarceration than their black peers.

Child support payments did not appear to make a significant difference in the odds of incarceration, but the presence of live-in grandparents in households without fathers ``appears to help improve youths' chances of avoiding incarceration,'' the study found.



McLanahan and Sandefur conclude that children raised by only one biological parent have more problems in school, in the work force, and in avoiding teen pregnancy than children raised by both biological parents no matter what the parents' race, education, or marital status is.





* 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.

* 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.


[Center for Disease Control]


* 80% of rapist motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes.


[Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14 p. 403-26]


* 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes.


[National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]


* 70% of juveniles in state operated institutions come from fatherless homes


[U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept., 1988]


* 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home.



[Fulton County Georgia Jail Populations and Texas Dept. of Corrections, 1992]

Children from fatherless homes are:

· 4.6 times more likely to commit suicide,
· 6.6 times to become teenaged mothers (if they are girls, of course),
· 24.3 times more likely to run away,
· 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders,
· 6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions,
· 10.8 times more likely to commit rape,
· 6.6 times more likely to drop out of school,

15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenager











WHAT HAPPENS TO CHILDREN DEPRIVED OF THEIR NATURAL FATHERS

Compared to children in male-headed traditional families where their
natural parents are married to each other, children living in
female-headed single-parent, lesbian or other environments where they are
deprived of their natural fathers are:

1. Eight times more likely to go to prison.
2. Five times more likely to commit suicide.
3. Twenty times more likely to have behavioral problems.
4. Twenty times more likely to become rapists.
5. 32 times more likely to run away.
6. Ten times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
7. Nine times more likely to drop out of high school.
8. 33 times more likely to be seriously abused.
9. 73 times more likely to be fatally abused.
10. One-tenth as likely to get A's in school.
11. On average have a 44% higher mortality rate.
12. On average have a 72% lower standard of living.


Source: "The Garbage Generation" by Daniel Amneus Ph.D. It is posted in
HTML format at http://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/damneus/garbgen.htm

 

it's not men in general i won't have anything to do with...it's men who think like this. men who blame the feminist movement for all the ills in society are completely missing the point. good human qualities are good human qualities, regardless of the sex of the person who possesses them. if a man is going to hate me because i stand up for and take care of myself and my children, i want nothing to do with him...and i certainly don't want him around my kids. one can only hope that the wheel of life will eventually teach these hate-spewers what they have thus far failed to learn.

 

Gender bias on either side is not constructive.

I agree there's a need for legal reform regarding the custody rights of men. When the legal system favors one group of people over another, it's human nature to take advantage of it.

 

exactly.

 

One thing I think is that women have been forced into believing they should go all out for careers.
The problem with that in Britain atleast , is that you get middle class women - educated and connected ones with rich mummies and daddies taking the jobs that would normally have been taken by aspiring working class males.
These males then get shit part time call centre type jobs - jobs originally intended as "pin money" for housewives - or they get unemployed.
So some( middle class type) households get much more money and others ( wrking class)get much less.

Plus immigration means some wages are dropping in real terms.
This means a guy who puts a girl up the spout feels basically embarrassed about not being able to do what he saw as the breadwinners role( havig a good income) - so he disappears.
The kid thinks that their fathers didnt give a fuck , but really they were just embarrassed - and so the vicious cycle continues IMO

 

I'm not gender bias in any way. But I expected the canned response from you guys. What I did was show that the numbers used by feminists are wrong.

There is a clear bias in society. Male bashing is the norm and most people don't see it. Women don't see it because it has no affect on them and they really don't want to give up the advantages they have in the legal system.

Schools teach boy=bad girl=good.

Instead of accusing me of gender bashing. Discuss the points in my post that you think are wrong. My argument is that feminism has had a major adverse affect on society and is the only cause of the male bashing that has gone on for over 40 years.
Feminism calls all men rapists. I have just showed you that the majority of rapists in the USA are products of a single parent home. My point is that the problem is the absence of the biological father.
Attacking the person and not the message is a widely used feminist tactic because they do not have a rebuttal.

If feminism was about equality it wouldn't be gender specific at all.

 

Why does everyone always blame the male of the species? Have you been to family court lately? Any court for that matter?

 

i can agree with that
and yes i have ,,, in fact ,,, my ex got custody too

 

I am not putting women down. I am putting the idea of feminism down. I am not the one spewing hate. Your post is far more hateful sounding.

 

Jharyn
You mustve misunderstood me
I aint criticising men - Im not some sort of batty boy! LOL
I was just talking about when fathers dont want to settle withe the mother- which in my opinion is fine.I was just talking about some kids who somehow get brainwashed by the mother into thinking their fathers had cheated them.
There are other types of single parent families- often when the mother was just being predatory to get money from the father , or plain daft because she didnt want to work full time.

This feminism bullshit , make no mistake ( basically ugly fat dsyfunctional trolls who cant get any cock) was created by women.Its partner in crime was the Western establishment.

BTW if feminist lesbians hate men so much , why do they all wanna look like us???!!

 

Ressotaspiks Man,

I wasn't referring to you.

 

Jharyn, do your statistics take into account the number of fathers who want nothing to do with their children? Those who abandon their kids? Do they take into account the financial status of the fatherless household? What are the stats when compared to single parent households?
Statistics can be used to support any argument.
Remember, statistics prove that half of Americas children have below average intelligence. (Try and disprove that!)

 

If you read my prior posts, you'll see I agree with you, in fact I've seen it first hand in my own kids' experiences.

Interesting point, I guess it depends what you mean by feminism (I think feminism is about equality, but I agree that some women take it too far, and they give the feminist movement a bad name). According to your interpretation, feminism amounts to giving women the upper hand, and emasculating guys. Believe me, I'm not advocating that, and furthermore, I can relate to the spirit of your posts and those of the originator of this thread, having gone through a divorce from a vindictive psycho, who basically used the system to make me look like a criminal as a means to rob me, when in fact she was the criminal. Women like that exist in our culture because we reward that behavior, but the point I've been painstakingly trying to make is that the only way to overcome this phenomenon is to stop the adversarial attitude between the sexes. I've learned to take responsibility for the fact that I exercized poor judgement in my choice of a mate (my ex), luckily for me we didn't have any kids, and the mother of my kids is not like that at all. We're doing our best to ensure that our daughter grows up to be independent, while our son grows up to respect women. Furthermore, I do my best to avoid women like my ex, and when I'm forced to interact with them, I don't put up with their crap.

 

The statistics are taken from the then current database of people in the prison system. It was NOT taken from a questionnaire. They are real world numbers. There is a big difference.

The majority of fathers who have nothing to do with their kids, by and large, treated the mother like shit before she got herself knocked up. These pathetic excuses for a father, did not change overnight. Why did she fuck him? It takes two you know.
I have no respect for a person who turns their back on a child they are responsible for creating. But this trend, this single mother trend has been growing at an alarming rate since feminism began. They say they don't need a man to raise a kid. The selfishly disregard what is best for the child. I'm showing you that they are wrong. Kids need a father.
Try this on for size. A single mother raises a boy. She has no idea how to make a man out of a boy because she is a women. The child sees the struggle of his mother, which by any stretch of the imagination is at least half her own fault if not more. Mom is so busy trying to be superwoman, (albeit commendable to an extent, but impossible in the end. And who suffers the most?), that she has no time to form a bond with her own child. A character defect is inevitable in this child. That has been proven too many times, look it up. This guy meets a women and even though he treats her like shit, she gets pregnant and he takes off. The circle continues.
The financial status of a household has absolutely nothing to do with crime. There has been so many studies that disprove your theory that I am surprised you even tried to use it. Look it up and give me something to back up your claim before you try and argue a point.

 

Feminism is NOT about equality. It never has been and never will be. Try looking in to feminist theory from the beginning. I can help you get started.

http://www.debunker.com/patriarchy.html

http://biology.plosjournals.org/per...&ct=1&SESSID=6497f3708c172090991cb9229765c85e