when are people just going to realise that global warming is happening and it may be the beggining of the end for us all. The media and the government and a small percentage of british citizens(i call do-gooders) are trying to tell us that driving range rovers and farting cows are the cause. What absolute rubbish. . .First off, how come we only became aware of this problem in the last 10 years or so.?? WOuld it not be so much more logical for this problem to have arrisen maybe 50 or 60 years ago when coal and oil were used in nearly every manafacturing process known to man. Its obsurd to try and tell me that my diesel powered car is killing wild animals and melting the ice caps. modern technology has solved the problem of pollution as it is no where near the level it used to be(england). Every 10,000,000 million years or so there is a natural occurance that happens called...wait for it...Global warming, remember them big green things called dinosaurs???...well if you consider this fact then it isnt hard to recognise that we are long overdue for either the warming..or cooling of the planet. my Range rover produces less gasses than a cow for gods sake... GET REAL PEOPLE AND WAKE UP...THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING THIS THEORY ARE THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT THINK GOD MADE THE PLANET AND THAT WE MUST LOVE THE MIDDLE EAST(when they can blatently see the problems caused by them)a AND THAT WE SHOULD TURN A BLIND EYE TO TERRORISM....DO GOODER, BIBLE BASHING FREEKS.......>>>>>>>>>>>SCIENCE IS FACT<<<<<<<<<<<<<AND THATS THAT.
Damn man. Attackin' the Christian folk of this nation a lil harsh aren't you? Before you flip your lid an' I loose my trip lets consider another angle to all this DO GOODER, BIBLE BASHING FREAK shit. An' that angle is.... the government hid the rising of the world temp an' the outrageously increasing levels of C02 in the atmosphere because they aren't ready for change. It started 50-60 years ago but the effects would only be reaching our knowledge today man. Big Brother knows that by keeping our nation on the low side of consumer technolodgy it keeps the people in check. So they lie to us an' try to keep several disturbing truths from us. I suppose that if you are close minded then you can't possibly see things in the other light but it is quite obvious once you look into it. I didn't believe any of the global warming stuff when I first heard it but after lookin' at it long enough I came to realize that it was true. MANKIND IS NOT CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING BUT THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO IT. THEY ARE SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS BY A FEW THOUSAND YEARS.
Terrorism certainly is a reality. And the U.S. with its allies does most of it. We call the Middle Eastern Muslims "terrorists" when they attack us and kill a few thousand people. AFTER we have bombed Muslims in Indonesia, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, Somalia, Iran, Kuwait and Sudan. How many Muslims in the Middle East and Indosia has America and its allies killed? Hundreds of thousands. Americans want us to believe that the Muslims are out to get us and destroy our way of life. Yet it is US who have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and are destroying their way of life. Americans are the planet's premiere terrorists. There is no other country or group in our class. And Americans, like you, are incredibly good at ignoring the facts and believing whatever nonsense makes you feel okay about yourself. I quit thinking of myself as American a long time ago. I really don't want to have anything to do with the criminal enterprise called America. I am an Earthling. Littlefoot
You are only 26 yrs old. So YOU only heard about it 10 years ago. I heard about Global POLLUTION, and it's consequences for our planet, 40 YEARS AGO! And I and many others fought against it then and are doing so today. Just because YOU have limited experience and been LIED TO by your educational system, the mass media, and your gov't doesn't mean we don't have a crisis we've known about for 40+ years! The gov't & media have been brainwashing american consumers for more than 40 years, urging all to consume, consume, consume, and not worry about the consequences. We knew 40 years ago that we were fucking up the world, but hey, there's LOTS OF PROFIT to be made by big corporations, so who cares? Go to http://www.hippy.com and READ THE ARTICLES there from the 1960s where people actually DID STUFF to protest the pollution of our earth. They INVADED corporate offices and stole files PROVING we were being lied to by the corporations and our govt. Books were written on this, but are no longer standard reading for school kids. We had books like: Population Bomb - Paul Erlich Future Shock - Alvin Toffler Silent Spring - Rachel Carson Diet for a Small Planet - Frances Moore Lappé Unsafe at Any Speed - Ralph Nader And these are just a few that predicted the current crisis and exposed corporate malfeasance and greed as the cause of our planets degradation. LEARN THE FACTS before you go preaching such bullshit. You and your entire generation have a lot to learn because the truth has been hidden from you. Just like Pressed Rat you discover one hidden truth and you think that is the ONLY hidden truth, and base your whole attitude on just a few facts that most of us have known for 40 years, and make like you just discovered it. Meanwhile you choose to ignore so many other more IMPORTANT facts, like the Fact of Global Pollution and overpopulation being the DIRECT cause of nearly every problem we now face as a planet, nation and individuals.
Well man some of us want to know all the hidden truths. My ears, eyes, an' mind are open to any thing I haven't heard about.
No, individual citizens are NOT responsible for keeping the TRUTH hidden from the public for 40 years. That is the responsibility of gov't to PROTECT its citizens, it's resources, and preserve our environment for the future. Individuals cannot do that because they don't have the power to regulate business and the actions of the gov't itself. Individual citizens in America have had their rights and powers REDUCED over successive Republican administrations, while the rights and powers of businesses have increased. In the 1970s responsible citizens were able to get Congress to pass NEPA and other important environmental legislation. Since that time there has been NOTHING like it passed, and in fact the Bush Administration and previous Republican administrations have sought to bury NEPA, the Clean Air Act and other environmental protections. We are STILL GOING BACKWARDS, despite the Science, despite the public outcry. So don't give me that shit that it's individuals, when individuals in America ARE NOW POWERLESS to stop the CORPORATE juggernaut from destroying this planet and rendering it uninhabitable by humans and hundreds of thousands of other species. You can't buy an ELECTRIC CAR when they were removed from the market by businesses that feared for their profits. You can't pass global warming legislation when nearly every congressperson owes favors to the oil industry. The people are no longer in a position to dictate policy when government is run by corporations and other special interests. Get REAL gardener. This is why a REVOLUTION is the only SOLUTION.
Individuals have a responsibility to mitigate the pollution they generate. And in the last ten years I've seen a complacency to buy more, throw out the old with no consideration for the world, only a primary consideration to one's own lifestyle. We elect our congress and state legislatures here in the states, and what have we found to be important...only those things that promise us continued fat cat lifestyles and possibly lower insurance rates. And I've yet to see insurance rates lowered...have you? And even when these experiments prove destructive like deregulation of utilities in California did...no one really asks the big questions. They want a promise that their lives won't be affected. Businesses didn't remove the electric car, consumers did when they showed no interest. And Global Warming...give me a break, it's another catch phrase and marketing tool. I am not buying into it. You can if you wish. I don't seek to dictate, I leave that to politicians. I hope for informed personal decisions.
Uh that is SOOOO untrue. Where do you get these made up facts? The truth is there was a HUGE demand for the electric car, and still is. It was removed by GM when they realized it would cut into gas powered cars sales and hurt the oil industry who the auto industry is in bed with. The SYSTEM IS BROKEN. That is the problem. It's been abused so much by big business that the people no longer have a say. If there is a product that could potentially solve many of our ecological problems it WILL BE BURIED if it impacts any big business. That is a fact. So nowhere are these potential solutions available to the public. They are being repressed so business can continue to profit until the last drop of oil has been sold. So blaming the public for choices they are NEVER GIVEN, is ridiculous, Gardner, and you know it.
It's part of the problem Skip, but like over population and pollution, it's just part of it. Attitude is actually the biggest part of the problem. The tude that it's not my problem it's yours. According to the free marketers if there had been a huge demand for electric cars the market would have accomodated it. Are they telling lies?
There are many ways to manipulate a market into purchasing a product or not. One method is to raise prices of electric cars to detour sales. I'm not saying this is what happened, but possibly could have lowered sales of hybrids/electrics. Another method is lowering the price of gas-guzzling cars. Incentives might have been used to sell more gas powered vehicles at the time. It may appear that the market is not interested in electric vehicles b/c they were not meeting sales estimates, but one must know the conditions of the market at the time. If electric cars were sold at below the average price of similar gas guzzling cars, with large incentives ($5000 rebate), and special deals for "loyal customers" (ie people who buy every car from the same lot), perhaps the market would have been very favorable for electric cars. It is very true that oil companies and car manufactures have the same interests at stake, so it wouldn't surprise me that electric cars would have been seen as a threat to the oil giants. However, I'm not about to say there's a "conspiracy" where oil companies control manufacturers, which obey every whim of oil. If anything, "progressive" oil companies which are diversifying into alternative energy resources will encourage the production of vehicles which use their alternative fuel. So if Chevron (or any other oil giant) is investing huge amounts of money into ethanol, don't be surprised to see the production of flex fuel and other ethanol fueled vehicles start mass production... Peace and love
You need to read this or see the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F This movie has all the facts about what happened to the electric car. Perhaps someone can explain why GM reposessed every electric car it made in order to destroy the evidence they ever existed. People LOVED the electric car. It was Quiet. It was non-polluting. It was CHEAP! Yes the electricity was cheaper than gas - BACK THEN, and is ever more so now. It may well be the greatest disservice to humanity done in my lifetime.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58586 this guy founded the weather channel and he says that global warming is the biggest scam ever. i'm sure he's way more qualified to talk about it than al gore is. also i'm pretty sure he's every bit as qualified to talk about it as any scientist who promotes gloobal warming. skip, somehow i doubt he gets any funding from big oil. QUOTE=Skip]Here's an EXPOSE in Newsweek magazine explaining how the Deniers are being financed by the OIL industry and other industries that stand to lose if action is taken on global warming. It also explains how political action in the USA is being STIFLED by the fake doubts being raised by those who are being paid $10,000 for each Denial story they write for the media. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20122975/site/newsweek/ WAKE UP PEOPLE, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE![/QUOTE]
and it's those bible thumpers you are griping that promote the idea of god making the earth who are some of the biggest terrorism fear mongers out there. somehow i doubt we were put here on accident. science may be fact, but even some of science's most widespread and accepted ideas are mere theories. this includes evolution. it's a bit off subject in regards to this topic, but here's an excellent creation vs evolution articlehttp://www.geocities.com/astraeaaradia/creationevolution.html facts may be facts, but theories are often times just theories. as far as global warming goes, i think it's on par with chjicken little running around saying the sky is falling. [ QUOTE=robfosertter]when are people just going to realise that global warming is happening and it may be the beggining of the end for us all. The media and the government and a small percentage of british citizens(i call do-gooders) are trying to tell us that driving range rovers and farting cows are the cause. What absolute rubbish. . .First off, how come we only became aware of this problem in the last 10 years or so.?? WOuld it not be so much more logical for this problem to have arrisen maybe 50 or 60 years ago when coal and oil were used in nearly every manafacturing process known to man. Its obsurd to try and tell me that my diesel powered car is killing wild animals and melting the ice caps. modern technology has solved the problem of pollution as it is no where near the level it used to be(england). Every 10,000,000 million years or so there is a natural occurance that happens called...wait for it...Global warming, remember them big green things called dinosaurs???...well if you consider this fact then it isnt hard to recognise that we are long overdue for either the warming..or cooling of the planet. my Range rover produces less gasses than a cow for gods sake... GET REAL PEOPLE AND WAKE UP...THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING THIS THEORY ARE THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT THINK GOD MADE THE PLANET AND THAT WE MUST LOVE THE MIDDLE EAST(when they can blatently see the problems caused by them)a AND THAT WE SHOULD TURN A BLIND EYE TO TERRORISM....DO GOODER, BIBLE BASHING FREEKS.......>>>>>>>>>>>SCIENCE IS FACT<<<<<<<<<<<<<AND THATS THAT.[/QUOTE]
now elijah i did not check your links but it seems to me you at first are saying its a sham, and then say its not, im confused??????
ahhhh! i just typed a response but i went into a tangent that was meant for another thread, your last post came up befor mine but your last 2 seem 2 have 2 diiffering opinions in the same post! again im confused? so you think global warming is a sham?????
Again I say we are on the verge of ECOLOGICAL CATASTROPHE. Who the fuck cares about Global Warming when our SEAS ARE DYING right in front of us and we continue to pollute even more every passing day. All you nay sayers will one day be pariahs. If you don't do something today, you are GUILTY of having brought this about thru your own IGNORANCE of the facts that scientists are laying right in front of you. This is from the latest UN report that summarizes what we can expect to happen in the near future... "Humanity is rapidly turning the seas acid through the same pollution that causes global warming, the world's governments and top scientists agreed yesterday. The process – thought to be the most profound change in the chemistry of the oceans for 20 million years – is expected both to disrupt the entire web of life of the oceans and to make climate change worse. Scientists have found that the seas have already absorbed about half of all the carbon dioxide emitted by humanity since the start of the industrial revolution, a staggering 500 billion tons of it. This has so far helped slow global warming – which would have accelerated even faster if all this pollution had stayed in the atmosphere, already causing catastrophe – but at an increasingly severe cost. The gas dissolves in the oceans to make dilute carbonic acid, which is increasingly souring the naturally alkali seawater. This, in turn, mops up calcium carbonate, a substance normally plentiful in the seas, which corals use to build their reefs, and marine creatures use to make the protective shells they need to survive. These include many of the plankton that form the base of the food chain on which all fish and other marine animals depend. As the waters are growing more acid this process is decreasing, with incalculable consequences for the life of the seas, and for the fisheries on which a billion of the world's people depend for protein. Every single species that uses calcium in this way, that has so far been studied, has been found to be affected. And the seas are most acid near the surface, where most of their life is concentrated. A report by the Royal Society, Britain's premier scientific body, concludes that, as a result, of the pollution, the world's oceans are probably now more acidic that they have ever been in "hundreds of millennia", and that even if emissions stopped now, the waters would take "tens of thousands of years to return to normal". http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3172144.ece