another question

this is not true.

see the 4th amendment

never give permission to search, no matter what.

if they have PC, they can search the entire vehicle.

there is so much mis-info on this thread, I'll start over

 

It may not be constitutional, but that's what happens.

 

you say no- as is your right. they cannot get a warrant- that requires probable cause, and if they had PC they wouldn't need a warrant.

and you do not talk at all_ except tp say no, and give your name and address.
"I have the right to remain silent/ I have the right to have an attorney present during questioning..."
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Let's get something straight_ your rights are YOURS. You already posses them. They are not something the pigs give you. You simply need to exercise them_ but you must learn them first.

I've been busted 14 times total (10 drug related felonies, from trafficking to possesion) in 4 states. I've got one felony conviction, and about 8 misdemeanors. I've spent over $100,000 on lawyers, and I've never done more than 60 days. I know what I'm talking about.

learn your rights_ or don't play the game

 

You're wrong.

If this were true, there'd be no dope buiness

mis-info is our biggest and most dangerous enemy

 

constitutions!

america, the land of the free!

 

I've been searched just for being in a mostly black neighborhood because the cop said that white people had no business in the neighrhood. He figured that since me and my friends are white we must be trying to buy some drugs(which wasn't the case). I even told him that we were just visiting a friend and he still asked to search my car. I said that I didn't see any reason for him to search my car. He then asked for consent again, and I still refused. He then contacted someone through his radio and requested permission to perform a search because I was refusing to consent to a search. Another cop car pulled up and both cops proceeded to search my vehicle and found a small marijuana pipe, which I immediately claimed as my own. After the search he told us that if he saw our car in the neighborhood again we would be arrested on the spot. Cops don't give a shit about rights, thay just want to make an arrest or, at least, cause some inconvenience.

 

^Cops don't care, but judges do. Evidence found in an illegal search is not valid.

It's suspicious for me to exercise my rights? That's bullshit.

and Geck, can the cop make you wait there until they can get a warrant?

 

actually wasnt there some report which told authorities to beware of people who preach the constitution

 

The point is that cops get suspicious when you refuse to consent to a search, and even if it is an illegal search and if they find nothing, it's still a hassle and is very inconvenient if nothing else. If you are arrested and charged for possession of weed that was found in an illegal search it is often more of a hassle to fight the charge, so you're better off just accepting it. Unless, of course, it's a felony charge. Either way, you're fucked, because the cops don't give a shit.

 

The judge counts- the cops just another gang-banger.

The pigs cannot make you wait. This brings up the issue of "legal detention".
He cannot detain you without PC. If he has PC, he needs no warrant.

What he will do is "ask" you to stay BY NEVER TELLING YOU TO LEAVE!.

In the case of our white friend in a black nieghboorhood, the cops were engaged in a fishing expedition. The answer to "what are you doing in this part of town?" is:

THat's personal. This is the US (not canada or austrailia or western europe) and we have right of free passage. Now arrest me- or get out of my way!

 

From the cops point of view:
You were suspicious, so he pulled you over. You than engage the officer in a conversation concerning a search, "I even told him that we were just visiting a friend and he still asked to search my car. I said that I didn't see any reason for him to search my car. He then asked for consent again, and I still refused. " and voluntarily stayed with him. And that is indeed what you did.

You can't "still refuse" when you never refused in the first place. You should have said "NO SEARCH" and if they asked you again, 'QUIT ASKING".

but the nub is this:
had you been legally detained, he would have read miranda at you. But you were not_ you cooperated.

ARREST ME OR LEAVE ME ALONE.

But read between the lines:
you weren't arrested because the pig knew it was illegal.
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Part of the 4th (and maybe 6th?) concerns arbitrary detention.
It's why license checks must stop EVERY car, and not just one.
It's why every car on the freeway can go 90 and nobody gets pulled.

pigs push you around becuase thier betting you ignorant of the law_ and usually they are correct.
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Somewhere out ther is a book called "Drug Laws and the Rights that Protect You." It may be slightly outdated_ but only slightly. It deals with Constitutional Law.
Read it, learn it, live it!

 

man his only suspicion was ur race? thats shit.

 

Fuckin cops. They should be shot in the face............with a b.b. gun.

 

So basically, you should just ask if you're being detained, he'll have to say no, and you can leave after he finishes whatever business he initially pulled you over for?

 

That's not likely to happen. Cops have big egos and will feel the need to look in every corner of the vehicle until they find something. If you make any attept to leave or even ask to leave, the cops down here will get an attitude and tell you not to move. And if you respond with anything other than yes, sir, he will put you in cuffs and put you in his car. Then if you try to claim any of your rights, he will start to get angry and try to charge you with resisting arrest or disorderly conduct. Fuckin bitches.

 

You need to move the fuck out of that fascist shithole, dude.

 

That's correct.

 

Nah. That might work in wonderfulland, but most cops WILL give you a hard time and find any excuse to make your day difficult. Even if they don't find anything to arrest you, they will exhaust all of the possibilities and try to make you antsy so you might slip up and do something to get arrested.

 

that's not what happens to me or those who Know-

It's like I said- you're giving them permission to treat you that way.
Nothing personal, but you're showing fear and so the cops are punking you. They make a few empty threats, and you capitulate.

I make them call me , sir, not the other way around. 5 seconds in they know I'm not afraid of a bogus arrest. What are they going to do? Throw me in the county jail for a day or two? Big Deal.
I'll beat the shit out of them in court, and they know it. So they mostly back off.
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In all fairness, I should mention that I had the crap beat out of me once (in Chino, Cal.) - but in court we had them cold. I walked, although I lost the illegally siezed dope (a lb of meth).
Not bad for a convicted heroin trafficker, eh?

The accused and the judge have a mutual friend- the US Constitution.

 

In the situation I explained earlier I never showed fear. I told the cops exactly what I was doing and that it was none of their business. I let them know that I wasn't doing anything wrong, and I told them that the pipe was mine and I used it to smoke tobacco(LOL), which was funny because I was wearing a hat portraying a potleaf at the time. I told them that they had no reason to pull me over and abssolutely no reason to search me. But like I said, if I showed too much resistance I would have just got arrested and it would have been just a huge hassle. I am, in no way, afraid of the the cops and would have gladly stood my ground had I had the financial security to afford the fines that would come along with it. Around here, the cops don't give two fucks about human rights, and if you take it to court the judge will most likely side with the cops, and even if he takes your side, it's still money out of your pocket and time out of your life.