Another question on Darwin's theory ...

Evolution is at the heart of science, and i really wish the creationists here would make a choice: science or religious myth. you cant have both.
any way, heres my little threory:
intelligence is an evolutionary trait. if you drop a beetle down a well shaft, it will flip over and move on with life. if you drop a rat, it will shake it off and survive. drop a person and splat. as an animal(which we still are) early man needed some thing to set him apart and survive in the world. the brighter of us lived longer, more kids, you know how it works. but then some thing srange happened. nothing other than extinction had done it before. human evolution stoped right around the same time civilization(farming) began. think about it, who doesn't get married or at least fuck once? today, mates are chosen less on brains and more on looks- could we be moving backward? things sure seem that way some times.

 

Intelligence is not an evolutionary trait.
Intelligence is 'All' there is.

There are many different notions of intelligence,and many different forms as it were, but they are all compound structures built on a fundamental creative intellectual process. The best reduced form notion of this process is 'self-reflection', though not referring to the 'self' as in the localized self of 'mind', but an abstract process that is non-local. From this, 'Everything' else arises. Everything means everything, from the overtly physical and inorganic to the organic and complex forms of 'mind'.

Note however, that 'mind' is no more 'intelligent' than sand, unless one defines intelligence as akin to the notional constructs and processes referred to the human mind to arrive at and reflect on all these notions. This, however, is a very narrow definition of intelligence, principally because, these constructs are, as everything else, self-referenced, and merly represent the path by which this discussion takes place. It is, as it were, one universe in a universe of universes.

 

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yes things change over time to adapd = evolution. but the theory of Evolution is that thing changed from one thing to another there is no proof this is true. a bird is a bird,a k9 is a k9 .just because things are simaler ie. apes&humans dose not mean they are one in the same

 

Actually can I just say that evolution is not core to science. Im a physicist and don't really buy into evolution. It doubtlessly happens on the short scale but there is little fossil evdience that it happens in longer the longer term. There are bits and pieces of evidence appearing but its still far from a coherent theory.

 

Well Fat Tony that does beg the question don't you think? I mean if Darwin's theory is insufficient then what else? I'm not suggesting a black or white situation but surely "we" came from something/somewhere ...

 

Obviously we came form somewhere. Its still perfectly plausible that we were created. Its also perfectly possible we evolved. Or possibly some unknown third option. This is why its so important that kids in schools are taught all scientific and religious explanations. Its an important question with lots of theories and no real answers. After all you can use quantum mechanics to prove the existance of a higher mind if you so desire.
"There are two ways to the truth I chose to study them both." Georges Lemaitre (preist and theoretical physicist). With Einstein he first talked about 'A day without yesterday', a theory which later became known as the big bang theory.

 

could we be evolving to survive on less oxygen?

i just thought maybe since smoking is prevalent in our environment.


anybody care to disprove?

 

I doubt it. We humans aren't really evolving much anymore, at least in the biological sense of the word. By the time enough generations have lived and died for any noticeable physical change to occur, the world is a vastly different place.

 

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Burnard Shaw

This quote seemed appropriate to the thread. Humans are in the unique position of being perhaps the first animal on the planet that, instead of adapting to it's environment, changes it's environment to suit it. I've been thinking that, in this respect, we very might well be the pinnicle of evolution, to use that grandiose term.

 

Humans have more less stopped any evolution that may have been occuring. Most change occurs therough random mutation and we are too complex. We have so many parts that all need to communicate to each other, that random muation in humans tends to cause very bad things to happen.