Another fun climate change thread

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Vanilla Gorilla, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Good movie though...
     
  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You need to read about displacement of water.
     
  4. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    You need to have a LOL. ;)
     
  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    What's incorrect?
     
  6. onceburned

    onceburned Banned

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    70s, 80s daytime 60s at night, love that global warming
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Fascinating refutal :D

    But seriously: care to explain why?
     
  8. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I take it your username refers to a nasty sunburn?
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You do understand there is a difference between weather and climate?
     
  10. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Wasnt much of an argument to begin with

    "Ten percent of the land mass of the world is under glaciers"

    ....and...? Were the glaciers 1 ft deep or 100ft deep, and what year is that.

    Yes, it is currently incorrect, 10% of the worlds land mass is not under glaciers.

    But its a mute point if one is going to talk about surface area instead of volume
     
  11. GLENGLEN

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    But Without His Naughty Mags How Would Hotwater Get Hot...???...:D



    Cheers Glen.
     
  12. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    This article too

    Keeps going on about surface area, no mention of volume

    Even contains this paragraph

    Which doesnt actually say anything "Just a few degrees" ok, how many degrees? And no mention of who these "scientists" are or what they have worked out, how they worked it out

    Some how magically a few degrees means greenland wont freeze again each 9 month long winter.


    24 million cubic kilometres of total glacial ice, a figure thats about 40 years old.

    Surface area of earth 510 sq klms, around 70% of that water, so about 360 million sq klms for the water surface area of earth.

    On the instant of this article and many others "scientists" really just means screenwriters for tv docos.

    It was a case that melting the glacial ice was never going to see us underwater
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The 10% figure comes from the National Snow and Ice Data Center which is part of the University of Colorado, Boulder and is affiliated with NOAA.
    Unfortunately the site doesn't give a date for that data.
    As to the depth of the glaciers, according to this source, they range up to three miles deep (15,480 feet). An average isn't given.
    I don't know where you got your data that the 10% figure is incorrect.

    Now as to volume. I didn't include that as I was only pointing out that using a meme about floating ice to claim that global warming won't affect the ocean depth isn't very accurate as there is lots of ice on the land that will melt and flow into the oceans.

    But you want to know about volume?
    According to the Antarctic Glaciers site as of 1/29/18, as of 2013 the Antarctic ice sheet alone contained 27 million km3 of ice, and this is not counting other land based glaciers or ice packs. If the entire Antarctic mass were to melt the oceans would rise by about 58 meters.
    If we combine the melting of the Antarctic ice sheet, Greenland ice sheet, and various other land based glaciers and ice caps, the oceans will rise by about 66.07 meters. See the site for information about the math.

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    If you do a little research you'll find lots of data on the mass and melting effects.
    Looking at the image I provided and the Antarctic Glaciers site the total seems to be different. But my point still stands, when land based ice melts the oceans rise.​
     
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  14. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    So, you dont know the date, you dont know the average, therefore the volume, you you have no idea how much there currently is, or how much we've lost......just like everyone else


    This Calculating glacier ice volumes and sea level equivalents - AntarcticGlaciers.org site, you didnt even that site did you?

    All they do to get the crazy figues of a 58/77m sea level rise is take current best guess for above sea level ice volume, convert it to the volume it would be if it all melted, then plonk it on top of the current surface area of the oceans of the earth and no where else. With a calculation that in itself is incorrect, It would only be 58m if it didnt move, didnt weigh anything, didnt spread out, didnt evaporate, didnt compact down

    And thats as scientific as the get; convert volume of ice to water, then add it on top of surface area of the oceans.....and its not just them, they are getting it from the IPCCs AR4 report

    Thats the UNs, Integovernmental Panel on Climate Change doing junior high math to add on volume to surface area

    So how long have you been falling for that in the media? Decades now, without ever bothering to check....or even notice

    This from the website YOU linked:

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    Calculating sea level equivalent

    To convert a mass of ice into the total amount global sea levels would rise if the ice all melted (i.e., the sea level equivalent), we need to know how much area the oceans cover. This is usually given as 3.618 x 108 km2. A 1 mm increase in global sea level requires 10-3 m3 (10-12 km3) of water for each square metre of the ocean surface, or 10-12 Gt of water.


    We can calculate the volume of water required to raise global sea levels by 1 mm:


    Volume = area x height


    Area = 3.618 x 108 km2


    Height = 10-6 km (1 mm)


    Volume (km3) = (3.618 x 108 km2 ) x (10-6 km) = 3.618 x 102 km3 = 361.8 km3 water.


    We can convert km3 of water to Gt of water as we did above; 1 km3 water = 1 Gt water. In the same way, 1 Gt of ice = 1 km3 water. So, 361.8 Gt of ice will raise global sea levels by 1 mm. 361.8 Gt of ice is equivalent to 394.67 km3 ice.


    If we took our 458.30 Gt of ice (as calculated above), then we could calculate the global sea level equivalent by:


    SLE (mm) = mass of ice (Gt) x (1 / 361.8)


    SLE = 458.30 x (1 / 361.8)


    SLE = 1.27 mm"

     
  15. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    And here is is again on the NSIDC website

    Facts about glaciers | National Snow and Ice Data Center

    Which is only if you plonk it straight on top of the surface area of the worlds oceans only and it doesnt move

    Not that the calculation was even correct in the first place, because they added up the volume of ice wrong
     
  16. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    That's a heck of a lot of underwater people though. Wow. 230 feet!!
     
  17. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Would be more like 15ft at most
     
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  18. Kirstie

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    So really London would be screwed, 100% entirely. Diversity makes us stronger, according to the London mayor though.
    Then Europe would be plunged into crisis, and in terms of the British Isles then the Scots would get flooded with English and Welsh folks. Society will be thrown back into the survival era, with politicians trying to manage obedience that once took many hundrends of years to tame.
     
  19. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Id say London is already screwed ;)
     
  20. granite45

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    More than enough to inundate a Florida resort owned by one individual whose initials are D T.
     
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