Sorry I was trying to be nice. Okay. If the Beatles intellectual property fueled an event that caused the genocide of 9 million people then I'd feel the same about it because people would have used their work as a basis to form a religion capable of killing that many people. Here you are assuming that the Bible fueled the holocaust which you haven’t proved. My point in using the illustration was to show that just because someone says that Bible made me do it or fueled it doesn’t make it so. It is religion that I am against. I kind of assumed that. You are right, books don't kill people, RELIGION kills people. Cults are infant religions. I guess you should talk to someone else about this. I, myself have been defending the Bible and what it teaches, as for Religions that don’t follow the Bible they’ll have to fend for themselves. Jesus is viewed not as the son of a Jew but the Son of God who rose up against a Jewish society and was persecuted by Jews. The Bible says that Jesus was the natural son of Mary a Jew, his adoptive Father Joseph was a Jew, Jesus was raised in the religion of the Jews and Jesus said this about Jewish law; “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place. To me the old saying; if it walks like a duck and it quacks like duck, swims and flies like a duck and looks like a duck, it’s probably a Duck applies to this. Jesus was a Jew!
How have I not proven the bible is anti semitic? Do I need to now teach a lesson in sociology to explain how Christian Nazis felt and how this influenced their behavior?
I know what you are saying. But you are talking about a fictional reality that can’t exist in the real world. If you wish to stay in your fictional world then you are correct. But if you wish to step into the real world, your argument falls apart. You see in the real world both the concepts you mentioned exist. So please answer this one question; how did they come to exist?
I was reserving my space below your post! LOL!! No, actually I got busy and had do do something in the middle of my post and I realized you just posted so... Look up!
How did the concept of general relativity come into existence? All ideas come from somewhere. Connecting A+B together brings in a greater reality into the human consciousness. http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Days_of_Thunder That description may be helpful. Faerun is a realm in the forgotten realms. Faerun is an allegory to our world.
I'm sorry def zeppelin, I think you may have gotten into the middle of a runing discussion between steve-peace and myself. Feel free to join in but you might want to go back and see how it all started.
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail. I was just commenting on steve's question about how can the concept of God could come about, and I was just showing a few possibilities how that could be. You were saying how God could have put the concept of himself into the minds of man, and the link that I gave shows an interesting example. I Just thought it was interesting and wanted to share.
Actually I should apologize. Some times I get a little too focused (especially when tired and trying to answer three or four post at the same time), and so your comment seemed a little oblique to me thus my comment to you. Now after a good nights sleep, things look a little different. Sorry, OWB
You defend the bible because you are emotionally attached to it, as if it was something more than what it is. You have faith (or ignorance) that it is the somehow divine. The best thing you can do for mankind is to not vote or influence peoples lives. Your faith (or ignorance) is dangerous. Maybe not so much as a single person, but when millions of people share your same faith (or ignorance) then other people DIE! Religion (Organized Ignorance) KILLS !!!!
if i knew where the concept came from we wouldnt be having this argument now would we? but the bible does say that God told man about Him, so that is where it came from(this is what i believe so dont pick at it, i have a right and im not harming anybody because they dont believe in God..hey i dont care that you dont believe in Him as long as you arent hurting anyone for it.)
Sorry, I got to stop staying up late and talking on these forums. When you referred back to Captain Cannabis’ argument I mistook you for him and thought that you were continuing your argument against God’s existence. Soooo, Never Mind. PS At work today I was thinking about your argument for God’s existence and it seemed fairly sound.
Aren't you the little froggy! You're jumping to a whole lot of conclusions. How do you know what I’m emotionally attached to or that matter what I have faith in? In fact, I don’t think I have any of what you call “faith”. As for why I defend the Bible; one of the main reasons is I enjoy seeing people pit their “wisdom” against the “ignorance” of the Bible. It’s a little like watching people try to tear down a wall by throwing popcorn at it.
OlderWaterBrother, there is a misunderstanding when it comes to belief when others believe that there are hidden motives for such belief. It's "find the hidden motive" game that some people play, and it can be very distracting. It's difficult for some to understand that there are people that honestly hold to their beliefs because they believe in it, not so they can mask some unseen fear. That kind of hidden motive game can be played by both 'sides'. It really can go either way. Wouldn't it be a tad irritating to be told that the reason why you are an atheist is because you have a hidden fear of the responsibility that God wants you to uphold? I'd imagine that it would be.