annoying things in this forum

I agree that the abuse of childre is a very serious issue. The flaws of some do not transfer to the general populace. I know that JP II did not do much to help the victims, in fact it seems a time that he did mor to help the priests. Some theologins use this as an arument against a quick canonization of the late Pope.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6094504.stm Article from BBC talking about the current Pope and adressing child abuse scandals in Ireland. I think this is a start but much more needs and can be done.

 

Let's just use the example that you use of the Germans.

I never held all Germans accountable for the Holocaust, just the ones who participated but I also hold accountable those that hold the beliefs that would lead to such happening. Thus Christians who hold the beliefs that lead to such things happening in the past are as guilty as those who did those things in the past. One of the beliefs that lead to such acts is disrespect for the Bible. Like I said before the Bible does not suggest nor condone such things so the first step to doing them with a “clear conscience” is to discredit the Bible!

Last, sincerity of belief is no excuse, those that put Jesus to death were sincere in their beliefs but that did not make them right. In fact the Bible says; “In fact, the hour is coming when everyone that kills You will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God.” When they kill me, somehow I doubt I will be thanking them for their sincerity.

 

He said to them, ‘When I sent you out without a purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?’ They said, ‘No, not a thing.’ He said to them, ‘But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me, “And he was counted among the lawless”: and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled.” They said, ‘Lord, look, here are two swords.’ He replied, ‘It is enough.’ (Luke 22:35-38, NRSV)

Jesus condones violence. If you believe in a literal interpretation and sola scriptura then you should sell you possessions and buy a sword (two is better)...

I have attempted to learn from you, but it seems you are immovable and unable to accept other people.

I am glad you think highly enough of yourelf to judge what others believe. you are not perfect I am not perfect.

 

I’ll try to answer one at a time. Think highly of myself? No, not by a long shot! Because you are correct in saying that I’m not perfect and probably more imperfect than most. As for judging what others believe I let the Bible do that. It is not my job!

 

I dont understand why people make this out to be an exclusive "christian" crime.

As if pedophiles would disappear if there were no christianity.

 

how can the bible do that? it is an inanimate oject.

 

the point is the bishops hid the crimes, vowing the victims and guilty to silence. Priests were often moved from parish to parish to cover the crimes and then they would commit the crimes again...That is the issue.

It is an issue that proests did this, but if it had been handled in a responsible manner then we would not be debatig this now...

 

If Jesus condones violence, I guess, Christians consider God's "Thou Shalt Not Kill" as well as the rest of the Ten Commandments as meaningless...


So, Christians can condone violence and not kill at the same time.
What if the violence condoned involves killing. Can you kill and not kill at the same time? LOL


No wonder Christians are all fucked up. :jester:

 

As for being immovable and unable to accept other people perhaps in a way that’s true. If someone throws away the Bible which is what one is to use to become a Christian and then says I’m a Christian how can that person truly call themselves Christian? Then the only proof that a person is a Christian becomes just saying you are a Christian. Thus if a person were to discredit the Bible then become a Hindu in all respects doing and believing all the things of a Hindu but calls himself a Christian would he thus be a Christian and not a Hindu?

 

Taken out of context.

My point was that a literal interpretation doesn't make sense.

 

And how are Bible/Christian teachings to be interpreted??

Out of blind faith and some delusional rationalization??

This is no different from that of believing in the existence of Santa Claus, Mother Goose, the little fairy or the monster under your bed.

You people are afraid of your own shadow.

 

Well a shadow cannot tecnically exist because a sadow is the absence of light (or at least the ruction of light)...

 

Why is it that people get so confused by the word literal especially when talking about the Bible?
Here let’s illustrate. Ex.20:13 says “……Kill” so I guess that literally that means we should go forth and kill everything we encounter.
But wait let’s pull back a bit Ex. 20:13 says “thou shall not kill” so literally we shouldn’t kill anything.
But wait pull back a little farther and the bible says eye for an eye so we should kill.
Oh woe is me the Bible is so confusing let’s just discard it!
When the literal meaning of the Bible is don’t murder and if you do you should be put to death.
So it is with your example you have made no attempt to try to understand what the Bible is saying, so you say lets discard the Bible.
When all you have to do is pull back a bit and look at the context of what’s happening and why and it’s easy to see Jesus was not “literally” advocating violence.

 

Again by minimizing the Bible you fail to see its power. The Bible is the word of God and the Bible says the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and their marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.

 

I was talking to Hryhorii a Christian, of course you wouldn't believe that.

 

As I have already pointed out it depends on what you call a literal interpretation, because if you let the Bible interprete itself it always makes sense.

 

no, the see a difference in light levels.

 

Isn't Jesus the Word of God? With the exception of revelation, where do any of the books of the NT claim to be revealed by God?

I do value the power of the bible though, I just also value what has been revealed by the power of the holy spirit to men and is later taught.

 

Wow, How Big Of You To Insult A 15 Year Old Kid. Why Don't You Get Off Your High Horse And Pick On Someone Your Own Size?

 

I never understood the whole self interpretation' thing.

Because really, the Bible contradicts itself many times. Just look at the writtings attributed to Paul. He says that in Christ there is no male or female in Gal and then i another letter denys womens ability to be leaders. Paul says there is no heirarchy, but then outlines a spiritual heriarchy and later outlines what it takes to be a church leader.

Acts accounts of Paul's life and Paul's own testimony contraict as well.

How does the Bible rectify contradictions?