Alright... would you kill someone?

I Dont Mind Killing A Cop

 

If you use the methods of the beast you become no better than the beast itself.

The taking of a human is a dark shadow that over shadows your very being, and the faces NEVER leave you alone.


THOU SHALT NOT KILL! Any questions?

 

Most intelligent people wouldnt shoot a cop during a protest considering theres always dozens of them armed.

 

i'd like to think that if a cop is committing murder that I'd pick up the gun and shoot him but reality and fiction are two different things.

I was once attacked in the street by five guys coming out of a pub. Everyone likes to think that either 1. They would run and get away or 2. they would take a couple of them out.

The actual result of that was that I got beaten to a pulp.

I also got a knife pulled on me in Tenerife and most people would like to think they could 1. Run away or 2. disarm the guy and beat the shit out of him.....

What actually happened was i aimed for the nuts with my boot and actually caught the guy somewhere in his midrift. I opened the door which hit me in the head and I stumbled out and I think both him and I were surprised I got away.

Noone knows what is going to happen when a situation occurs. There is idealism and realism.

 

A long, long time ago I can still remember how that music used to make me smile and I knew if I had my chance that I could make those people dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while but February made me shiver with every paper I delivered, bad news on the door step, I couldn't take one more step, I can't remember if I cried when I read about his widowed bride but something touched me deep inside, the day, the music, died. So...
CHORUS
Bye, bye Miss American Pie drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry an them good ol' boys were drinkin whiskey and rye singin this will be the day that I die, this will be the day that I die.

Did you write the book of love and do you have faith in God above, if the bible tells you so, and do you believe in rock n' roll, can music save your mortal soul and can you teach me how to dance real slow? Well I know that you're in love with him cuz I saw you dancin in the gym you both kicked off your shoes and I dig those rhythm and blues. I was a lonely teenage bronkin buck with a pink carnation and a pick up truck but I knew I was out of luck, the day, the music, died. I started singin...

Chorus

Now for ten years we've been on our own and moss grows fat on a rollin stone but that's not how it used to be, when the jester sang for the king and queen in a coat he borrowed from James Dean and a voice that came from you and me, oh and while the king was looking down, the jester stole his thorny crown the courtroom was adjourned, no verdict was returned, and while Lenin read a book on Marx, the quartet practiced in the park and we sang dirges in the dark, the day, the music, died. We were singin...

Chorus

Helter Skelter in a summer swelter the birds flew off with a fallout shelter, eight miles high and fallin fast, its the land that falled on the grass the players tried for a forward pass with the jester on the sidelines in a cast, now the half-time air was sweet perfume while the sergeants played a marching tune we all got up to dance oh but we never got the chance oh as the players tried to take the field the marching band refused to yield do you recall what was revealed, the day, the music, died. We started singin...

Chorus

Oh and there we were all in one place, a generation lost in space with no time left to start again, so come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack Flash sat on a candle stick because fire is the devils only friend, oh and as I watched him on the stage, my hands were clinched in fists of rage, no angel born in hell could break that satan's spell and as the planes climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial right I saw satan laughing with delight, the day, the music, died. He was singin...

Chorus

I met a girl who sang the blues and I asked her for some happy news but she just smiled and turned away, I went down to the sacred store where I'd heard the music years before but the man there said the music wouldn't play and in the streets the children screamed, the lovers cried, and the poets dreamed but not a word was spoken, the church bells all were broken and the three men I admire most, the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, they caught the last train for the coast, the day, the music, died, and they were singin...

Chorus

They were singin... Bye, bye Miss American Pie drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry an them good ol' boys were drinkin whiskey and rye singin this will be the day that I die.

 

Just a thought...

Is this whole thread someone's fantasy of killing a cop because the whole scenario is so unlikely.

 

Yes I would kill someone.

 

I said that I wouldn't necessarily know what to do in that situation. Chances are I'd scream "NO!" because I'd be scared shitless and I don't want to see anyone killed in front of me. And if that didn't solve anything, I think I'd try to get the other people out of the way, away from most of the violence. I mean come on, who wants to see that?

 

I definitely don't shoot him. State law permits that if the civilians are attacking an officer, the other officer may shoot them if he has given a warning. You shoot a cop, and you're getting lynched.

Sorry about 'em, but I'd head my ass the other direction.

 

The whole scenario is based on lack of knowledge of gun rights and laws. If a cop attacks a violent protestor and other protestors start attacking back, the cop is well within his rights to fire upon an unarmed civilian if that civilian is posing an immediate threat to a third party.

Just as an armed civilian is within legal rights to shoot another civilian that is posing an immediate threat to a third party so long as a warning is given prior to firing the shot.

There is a difference between firing on somebody and shooting to kill.

 

i don't know what i'd do but i know i wouldn't just run
the shit that goes on between cops and protester is not right
and i wouldn't just stand to watch the cops take it out on innocent people
although not all protesters are innocent but alot of protests are started in the name of peace and escalated by police
just look at what was done at kent State

 

To answer your question with a question...who in their right mind(s) stands down any armed individual, "cop" or otherwise, throwing rocks and debris at them, "fighting back"??? Fighting violence with violence, especially with far inferior weaponry, is cyclical and ultimately a dead end. I'd have a little trouble feeling more than rudimentary sympathy for someone who shattered the glass house they'd been throwing stones in.

Let's take your hypothetical a step further too....you're the cop, facing a mob who'd like to skin you alive just because of the uniform you wear. They begin rushing you and you find yourself cornered, being pelted with larger and larger pieces of debris, wondering as the mob closes in if you'll make it home that night to your family. You've been seperated by the sheer size of the mob from your colleagues, and you're trapped by the foaming-at-the-mouth crowd who wants to destroy you as a symbol, forgetting that you're a human first with the same loves & desires as them ultimately. You have a gun, and you can probably disperse the oncoming bloodthirst with a few shots into the crowd...what do you do?

 

You little ignoramus. That is an outright offensive quote. If a cop were going to kill you, then you'd be within your rights to protect yourself, but other than that, it's plain ol' homicide. And you've not killed just a "cop", but a brother or sister of the human race, as misguided as you think they may be. Do you know how many times I've seen the cop-haters be the first ones to run to the police for help when the real shit broke out??? Just remember, when anarchy reigns, the "anarchists" and oddballs like you & I are usually the first to go. You won't have anyone to cry to when some crackhead street gang come and fuck you up and there's no one to protect your coddled ass...

 

So does that mean Jennasia, that if you were in danger of being raped by some thug(s), god forbid, that you wouldn't want those same "pigs" to intervene and apprehend the perpetrator(s)? No one who hates cops should depend on them to ANY degree or in ANY capacity...just my opinion, and please know that this is just a hypothesis, and that I hope you never in reality are in a position whereby you do NEED the police.

 

Wow. A bunch of blatant attacks and generalizations. You sure are a wonderful example for all of humanity to follow

 

I'd pick up the mother fucking gun and help the cop shooting you SOBs.

 

Um, "thanks"(?) for "agreeing" with me, but I'm really not proud of that at all, with the way you're spitting venom here stud. Violence does beget more violence no matter what you say. Like us being in Iraq to "help" the citizens there, by bombing them and shooting 'em up... Inevitably, we're bombing and shooting some of the "good guys" accidentally along with the "bad guys", and all that will do is serve to motivate the "good guys" relatives and friends to join the fight against us whereas before they may not have. It always goes full circle and it never ends. The only place for violence is in absolute self-defense, as preached in the martial arts, and even then, only to the capacity that you're able to remove yourself from the situation. And I must say, given your aversion to anything "hippie", you are in the wrong friggin' forum.

 

Looks like militant psycopathy is being instilled in the minds of our youth at ever earlier ages.

Obviously Jarhead thinks the world operates like his X-box controller, oh how rude an awakening is yet in store for our latest homicidal contributor.

 

The world doesn't work as an xbox, violence is necessary at times. In WW2 what were we as a country supposed to do when the Japs attacked us. Over 3,000 Americans died. What about the Nazi's slaughtering the Jews. Were we supposed to stand by and let that happen. You live in an illusion. The world isn't all love and flower power. Jarhead isn't probably homicidal just mad at you preaching hippism.

 

I am quite firmly rooted in the real world dear boy. A world of which I have seen more than most young video-fed violence junkies such as the poster above (and perhaps from the sound of it, yourself).

You are right the world doesnt work like an x-box, which WAS my point.

War is only "necessary" in defence of one's own home soil against aggression, not according to the present doctrine of presumed unilateral right to "pre-emptive" attack of other nations (least of all those purposely weakened through sanctions and nearly a decade of undeclared and largely unreported regular bombardment) who have not attacked us.

I suggest you turn off your sanitised television propaganda (which passes for "news" in the US) and educate yourself on the differences between WWII (a war to stop active unilateralist aggression consistent in principle to that which Washington now practices behind its false slogans and mindnumbing PR of "democratisation" and "liberation") and every US militant interventionist (overt and covert) action since then to the present day. The Japanese attacked OUR soil and the Germans declared war on us. Since then no intervention has obtained the Constitutionally mandated declaration of "war" by Congress, but - being acts of corporate-hegemony serving expansionism -have instead been unConstitutionally relinquished to the dictats of successive Presidents.

Your comparison is thus flawed, but all too common as an excuse for our nation's brutality and mass murder of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of innocent civilians around the globe for more than half a century. A fact well understood and well remembered by all those we have victimised in pursuit of power and profit.

The founding fathers warned of just such eventualities for our nation if its citizenry ceased to hold its leaders accountable.

Oh and FYI, I have never preached "hippyism" on these or any other boards.