After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Feb 15, 2018.

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  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Aerianne

    Fine remain ignorant
     
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    It is a diversion tactic when it is argued to be the solution instead of improving gun control. That is not looking at it from all angles. It's rejecting the most likely option, not because you're in favor of a better solution but because no improved gun control is favored at all cost.
     
  3. NotMyRealName

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    I responded with Human Trash comes in many forms. If you need time to go back and read that, I understand. We will give you time.
     
  4. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    But there is no shortage of legititmate criticism for gun control.

    To me "improved gun control" means less gun control.
     
  5. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Also I would argue that mental health IS the most likely option. So boom. Your logic is flawed from the outset and you aint got a monopoly on the truth.
     
  6. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Gotta remember...

    The United States of America has a mental health crisis like no other.

    And most of these shooters have a screw or two loose.

    Prior offenders, on medication, warning signs, etc.

    But mostly on medication.

    You guys are just proving my point by deflecting.

    Thanks sheep face.
     
  7. storch

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    So fucking improve gun control! What do you have in mind, and who the fuck are you going to approach to enact improved gun control?
     
  8. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    And again they deflect from acknowledging any solution besides gun control. They would rather just prove they are right than fix the problem. Cant say im surprised.
     
  9. Balbus

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    LOL – no my old friend I will give you time to answer the question you evaded – honest I’m really happy to wait.
     
  10. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Maybe she doesnt want to respond to someone who is cursing in the conversation. Shes not using any foul language like you are. Why should she have to talk to you then.
     
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  11. mcme

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    And it's ladders and how they're dealt with, and automobiles and how they're dealt with, and knives and how they're death with, and baseball bats and how they're dealt with, and on and on. But guns need to be banned because, well just because. Because in your opinion they have no other use but to slay innocent children and if they somehow disappeared all the children would be safe again, but that's not going to happen because gun nuts need to somehow make up for their small penis and feelings of insecurity.
    You have your opinion and other people think it's wrong, it's ridiculous to deny that.
     
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  12. Okiefreak

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    You fail to admit the difference between unintentional deaths (e.g., ladders) and intentional ones (e.g., mass shootings). Accidents happen, and we should and do try to prevent them through better safety in manufacture and consumer information. Intentional killings are a special problem that we handle after the fact through the criminal justice system, but could deal with proactively through better background checks, raising age limits for firearms, hardening targets, hiring more security guards, limiting access to rapid fire weapons, etc. Intentional crimes of violence pose a kind of problem to society that accidental deaths don't. But then I've pointed this out at least four times before.
     
  13. storch

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    Well, yeah Balbus. Why the hostility. Makes me glad you don't like guns.
     
  14. machinist

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    And you fail to admit the number of people killed by AR15s is miniscule.
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    Guns, unlike ladders, automobiles, knives, etc., are designed to kill. Some are designed to kill more rapidly and efficiently than others. And especially where the rapid fire, longer range guns are concerned, they have far less utilitarian value than ladders, cars, and knives. I predict, though, that some gun fan will bring up ladders, cars and knives at least six more times before this thread ends.
     
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  16. Asmodean

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    The options of how to do it have already been given multiple times. Last time it was said in a direct response to you by MeAgain. I hope you still recall. If not, don't get pissed at me. I was merely explaining to machinist why and when talking about other options (like meds and mentally ill people and big pharma's power and influence. All worthy to look into!) can be seen as a diversion tactic.
     
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  17. Okiefreak

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    Where human lives, particualrly kids' lives, are concerned, mass murders are never "miniscule". And who said anything about limiting sensible gun control to AR-15s.
     
  18. machinist

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    The AR15 falls within the bounds of acceptable civillian ownership. End of story.

    Also, the gun grabbers need to lay off talking about ballistic performance. There is no shortage of cartridges thay outperform the AR15 various cartridges.
     
  19. Asmodean

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    Why and where is my logic flawed? Your truthbomb is an opinion. Its cool if you think so and wanna argue that. But it doesn't render my (and the general) opinion here useless, nor does it means its flawed, or that i think i have a monopoly on the truth.
    I acknowledged from the start gun control is not the whole solution, just a big part. And also that the power and influence of big pharma in your country is just as out of proportion as the gun lobby.
     
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    AR15s are the main target. If you want to expand out from there thats even worse.
     
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