After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Feb 15, 2018.

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  1. storch

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    Why? He's already shown that he has no problem calling an AR-15 a weapon of war when it's obviously not. It would be like talking to a wall.
     
  2. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    This video explains what actually happened.

     
  3. Meliai

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    Good thing your personal opinion of the judge has no relevance to his ruling

    The point is that as of right now, a judge has ruled that individual states have the right to ban AR 15s and high capacity magazines as they are not protected under the 2nd amendment.

    This very well could be overturned in the future but as of right now this establishes a legal precedent for individual states to move forward with with banning AR15s and high capacity magazines (however they choose to define it)
     
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    Since the AR-15 is not a weapon of war, this kind of ruling should be called an illegal precedent. I wonder if a 10-round magazine is considered a large capacity magazine.
     
  5. Okiefreak

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    Didn't the Fourth Circuit do the same--en banc, & using heightened scrutiny? And the Supreme Court denied cert.
     
  6. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Do you have a law degree? Didnt think so.
     
  7. storch

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    I'm not familiar with legal terms. So why don't you explain what that has to do with the fact that the AR-15 is not a weapon of war, and yet is targeted as such by judges who don't seem to realize that?
     
  8. Meliai

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    This is a pretty basic concept and I'm sorry you dont understand it
     
  9. unfocusedanakin

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    Maybe you could share your legal expertise on the issue.

    Meliai needs a degree to understand but you do not Mr. Yoga instructor?
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    The judges heard arguments and evidence from both sides and made their rulings. In the case of the Fourth Circuit, which is an appellate court, the court applied intermediate level scrutiny, requiring an extra showing from the state to support the ban. In the Fourth Circuit case, the losing party petitioned for Supreme Court review, and the Supreme Court declined, allowing the Fourth Circuit decision to stand for the fourth circuit. The judges thought the AR 15 was enough like an automatic weapon to uphold the ban. They may be wrong, but until the Supreme Court takes a case & settles the matter, that's the way it is.
     
  11. storch

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    Yeah, they're wrong. In order for the AR-15 to be like an automatic weapon, it would have to be an automatic weapon. But it's not. These judges are either incompetent, or they're hoping that we are. But we're not. Or, are we?
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    A .223 leaves a small hole making tracking a wounded deer more difficult.
    In PA no semiautomatic rifle is allowed for hunting deer, bear, elk or turkey, so I would have to look at bans state by state.

    A deer is not a human. When shooting a deer most states want a "humane" kill. The deer dies very quickly, that's why larger caliber weapons are encouraged.
    When a human is shot, any damage is too much. Humans can easily die from being shot with a .22 short round.
     
  13. MeAgain

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    Because they are different places with different problems, populations, work opportunities, etc.
     
  14. MeAgain

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    Chuck Connors used two modified 44–40 Winchester model 1892 rifles on the show when a shot was required. Other rifles were used as clubs, etc. One modified rifle is in the possession of the Arnold Palmer estates in Latrobe, PA. (The rifles weren't even made in the time period the show portrayed.)
    The rifles were fitted with an adjustable screw through the trigger guard to trip the trigger as the lever was worked. Additionally the rifle was altered with a plunger to stop the cartridge from falling out when he would flip the gun to cock it.
    He used blanks which are shorter than standard cartridges allowing more to be chambered and fired.

    This is a dangerous setup for a rifle as it fires anytime it's cocked.
    Modification of a gun in this way could be illegal in many states, or made illegal if deemed necessary.
     
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    Toggle:I don't know. If someone had a lever-action .30-30 that didn't take detachable magazines at all, or only had four round magazines for their rifle, it would probably limit the carnage that they could inflict with their rifle.

    Storch: Have you ever watched the opening of The Rifleman? :smiley:
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    Note the smiling emoticon and the non serious tone of the following connected posts.
     
  16. machinist

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    Thats not true. A .223 leaves a broad but shallow wound. Lots of blood, less internal organ damage.

    Leftists dont know anything about ballistics. Its been demonstrated. Ive said it before in this thread. Youd do well to stop talking about it.

    Just because it is a small bullet doesnt mean it leaves a small hole. The physics are such that the bullet is going to self destruct blowing up on impact leaving a shallow but broad wound. Thats what happens much of the time depending on the weight and construction of the particular .223 bullet (yes bullets of the same caliber are made in different weights) and the distance.


    Stop trying to make stuff up.

    Its comical how you make stuff up based on how you THINK things work instead of how they actually work.

    "It leaves a small hole so you cant track it."

    LOL

    You really shouldnt even have to track deer at all if you make a good shot with the PROPER caliber and bullet.
     
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  17. machinist

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    Bank of America is shooting itself in the foot no pun intended. Meanwhile....


    Visa and Wells Fargo have both said hey, look its not our job to enforce policy on lawful activity. DUH!
     
  18. Maccabee

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    So it's not because of gun ownership?
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    I don't make things up, I do research.
    Don Helms is an NRA-certified instructor and former member of the Baltimore Police Department.
     
  20. MeAgain

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    Why do you continue to make disparaging remarks about those you don't agree with?
    Do you have an issue with someone disagreeing with you to the point where you have to continually try to show your superior intelligence?

    I don't make things up, I do research.
    Don Helms is an NRA-certified instructor who had a long career with the Baltimore Police Department.
     
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