Abortion

Sorry to intrude, but i just read that , in maximus profile as his own favorite quotation:

Right and wrong, much like good and evil does not exist, all we have is perception and our opinions.

Has paradox been invented yet?
Or has someone fogotten something they once used as battle word?

 

Do you want me to add that everything I say is opinion? Cause I thought I had cleared that up.

 

Thanks for the concern. My social life is just fine. As for your opinions, they place you in the minority of irritating attention whore and when I drive past picketing prolifers I am often apt to toss the melting ice in my cup out the window at an appropriate moment.

 

I think my mum had something to do about it..
as for science it is a tool to explain things who exist, not a god that create the universe, Riggs. you got it wrong, but must be because you are american, they got it all twisted up there.

I was created by the sound of the Universe which echo can still be heard, and who occured 10 minutes before the Big Bang.

Thats what is call The Point Zero of the Universe where we all come from.
Nobody ever die, all is recycled, we all come back, for ever and ever again.


and gusto maximo, thats one thing for a girl to get rape, thats another to go 9 months thinking of that monster and getting sick at the thougth that she is carrying the fruit of that monster and fruit of his crimes, dosnt make it better, and as if it wasnt enoughshe got to go through a birth, and pain and all, like teared uterus, or teared vagina, who can also happen under birth, and be sterile rest of her life, or frigid warranty..
and.. she will also have to go through the separation of the new born child..
and will never forget that either..
then tell me, who is going to pay for her 13 years of psychoanalysis?
you?
maybe oyu could send her some weed, so she can get high once a week and forget how a terrible mum she is to have given her child away.
All of that oyu cannot deny nor set aside, unless you cheat in argumentation, and let it sweep into banalitet set as universal laws.
Women concept, women control
Go to an abort clinic, and have a talk to girls and women there before the abort, go watch the abort, adn go have a tlak with them after.
Then we will talk, and not a second before.
No first loge life experience, is no life experience at all.
You are missing the precious link in here, the one who makes the difference between empty talk, and knowledge based on concrete set of reference and first hand experience.
There is girls there who are dead scared and scream and get histerical, before the abort, because they do not want to do it, but have to, and cant take the decision because the responsability is so heavy.
there is girls commiting suicide after an abort because they cannot bare to know, there is girls getting completely mad after the abort and who are send to psycho dpt, there is pelnty of them sick and crying.
and for months after thinking always about the baby.
Dont say one more word about a subject you know absolutly nothing about, but talk loud to feel more sure.
Abortion is not a good thing, but for some it is a necessary thing.
from the moment the woman realise she is pregnant she got only a few weeks to take a decision. Including booking the date for the abortion, so time is pressing questions are pressing, they areall stressed, and more and more unable to decide what to do about it, but nonetheless she must do it fast.
Decide.
and it always happen suddendly, so suddendly she got to think what will ahppeen in her life if she ahd a child rigth now rigth there, in 7-8 months from now. What will have to change, quit the job or school, all the things, maybe she rent a room and cannot have a baby in there, and then where is she going to live????? with her baby in the arms? in the streets?
All of it at once and time that press. As a rule a women has 3 weeks to found out about it all. After then it will be too late, all at the same time that she see her body transformed.
So I think it is difficult enought for all women as it is, without having des maximus to preach the dawn of dark.
You dont have to tell women it is wrong, they dont need a bible or a moralist pocket philosophy handbook to know it, they feel it, 1st hand.
It isnt about doing wrong, but what is rigth thus the wrong.
You have absolutly no idea of the situation some of those girls are facing.
What about women being treated for chronicaln illness and which treatment is vital, but will damage the foetus in such a degree that the baby will be born abnormal sure and certain and with malformations?
So that if they are to keep the child, they will have to quit the medicin, and risk to die?
what do you say about that precious?
So, she die? and they both die, or the foetus shall go???????????
whats the rigth and wrong here???????
what if it si a blood illness that can provocate bleeding and spontan abort....no matter in what month she will be in?
got it?
It is very very complexe and for your knowledge even in countries where it ois perfectly legal and where they have perfectly legal abortion dpt in central hospital and where it is paid for by the state, each case is stude first and reason for abortion has to be given in detail, and is analysed by a group of professor and surgeon and doctor and social workers, to decide ´how to best ahndle the case, and each time a girl or a woman want an abortion, she has to send an apllication with ll details for the reason of the abortion. after evaluation, the abortion is approved or denied.
First priority are those which health state or medical treatment or both, is a danger for the baby.
and those whos circumstances fro the pregnacy do at the pregnacy must be interupted, like rape and narcomans and nuts who will be unable to take charge of the baby after birth.
it isnt a mac donald, where you just come, command a burger and go.
It is a very serious thing, and a very stressing place to work into.
No body is happy in the way in nor out.
Some just freak out so much that its anhilated because the doc evaluate that the girl will risk to go wako, if she go through it.
You have absolutly no idea of what this is about.
Go to an abort clinic for 48 hours and get yourself a revelation.
I warranty you that it wont be soemthing that you will ever forget.

And that the next time you will hear people talking about abort, the last thing you will want to do, will be to open your mouth.

This thread got me really mad.!

 

Lorna, Riggs is a Christian. It has nothing to do with being American. He thinks God told him you shouldn't have an abortion. And Maximus is a self-professed fascist. He thinks he should be appointed to run your life for you.

Don't take them seriously, no one else does.

 

Yes it is.

Being christian is one thing, but being a christian AND american is a different story!
They got the compleet religion syndrom in the states!
completely banana!
its the dictatorship of the religious you got there, wwe had it in middleage, so theres no chance for it to ahppen again in europe, been there, done that, no thanks, we wont go there again. Than the american they dont have that historical baggage with them and are threfor more prone to be dupe.
And christians in Europe do not deny science at all nor evolutiona nd all that, they take it all with a gran of salt.
than i saw whats going on in the us with biologie class forbidden and trucated class, and pensum.. thats misinformationa nd propaganda. good we got the church and state separated here, and no school can teach like that lies and half triuth.
I dont think its about ones religion here but once mentality in the way of ones understanding.
As for this facist, what is he doing here then?
He aint going to run anybody life but to get kick in the azz.

And Riggs is my lover.
True he is Christian, but I am his Angel, so I give him a hand with practical stuff like the oprigin of the universe, and the definition of science.
I am not christian, i am Christ, thats closer.
I beleive in walking on water, i have tried it.
I beleive in flying toward the sky, ascent, cause I did it many times,
And I beleive in trinity because there are always been in all time, a Source, a chanel, and a receiver unit.
KI dont go to church cause church are full with hypocrites and it makes bad vibes to be in, and its an insult to the chanel and the source and they all make lots of white noise, so you cant hear the Source no amtter what, and its verry annoying and shamefull to watch them do what they do, and in my eyes, an insult to what could be.
I dont read the Bible cause I know whats in it, have read it in different alnguage and version also in original languages.
And I dont give a damn about contrition.
I was a Boddisatva, but I have deserted, I hidde as an Angel.
I dont believe in God but God believes in me, because I need his Faith much more than he could ever need mine.
I beleive in something much widder and much more powerfulll than any Gods concept.
ANd Riggs understood the essence: Free Will.
He is a genius.

Thanks for telling me anyway.

 

Was this a joke?

Why not? Ever actually read the Bible? Or even skimmed it?

 

The bible talks extensively about capital punishment. Read Exodus 21 and 22. See? God says so.

 

Not, true. I love babies (life) is the reason I couldn't do it. As for running others life, I wouldn't do it if you paid me a million dollars. Hell, I wouldn't even want to be the President of US, because no matter what you do, there will be some people thinking bad about you. You know.. like they can do a much better job at it. Yeah, right !

Zoomie, God bless you !

 

Riggs! when are you going to learn to read what people write and not what you put in it??

THE GUY NEVER SAID YOU ARE RUNNING PEOPLE LIFES, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A USER CALL "MAXIMUS" WHO WROTE THINGS HERE, IF OYU HAD READ THIS THREAD BEFORE REACTING.."And Maximus is a self-professed fascist. He thinks he should be appointed to run your life for you." CAN YOU READ THE NAME MAXIMUS NOW? THATS A USER NAME, AND OYURS IS RIGGS, NOT MAXIMUS.
HE WROTE THIS AT MY INTENTION, ABOUT THOSE 2 USERS, YOU AND MAXIMUS.
AND I HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH WHAT OYU SAID, ON THE CONTRARY, BUT WITH WHAT MAXIMUS SAID, WHICH YOU WILL KNOW IF YOU HAD READ MY PSOTS INSTEAD!


AND HE DIDNT SAID ANYTHING WRONG ABOUT YOUR RELIGION, HE STATED THAT YOU WERE CHRISTIAN, THATS ALL.
AND THAT CHRISTIANS ARE AGAINST ABORT BY RELIGIOUS BELIEVES.
THAT YOU LOVE BABY TOO, IS FINE, AND THE GUY NEVER SAID ANYTHING WRONG ABOUT THIS EITHER.
SO WHY THE FUSS??

 

I'm not mad, Lorna. You didn't have to write all of this. People have their way and I have my way of thinking and/or believing. Everyone chooses what road they want to take in life and we all hope for the best.

 

I know that it is your way of thinking, and found it very beautifull and I agree with you completely about that.
I already wrote about it some pages above, so you can look at it if you like.

We agree completly about those things and I wrote that you are a christian following his religion for real, as you apply what is in the bible: that human have free will to choose.

And I found this thought a beautifull thought.
It is freedom to choose, freedom to be whom ever one want to be, and freedom comes with a price, always, one is free to chose as long as they do not imped the freedom and free will of others.

We agree, love.

In the post before where I say I was mad, I wasnt at oyu at all but at what this maximus was saying who was outrageous.

About what you said, I wrote posts
page101

and page 99 post nbr. 989

Here you can read my direct answer to you.
And see that there was no problem at all, sweetheart....

 

Don't worry about it, baby.

 

hMM ITS ALRIGHT. But i thougth you were very upset.

 

I do believe I have repeated myself enough on this issue.

Again, I have repeated myself numerous times on this issue, what do I look like to you a song you can't catch the words so you keep pushing that rewind button?

Are you done? You're just like every other fanatic pro feminist, my god, thank you for educating me.

Jesus Christ I have had more than enough first hand experience with women who have had abortions at 17,18,19 etc, only one questioned herself, the others were cold, they were raised in this society to look at abortion as a medical procedure like getting your apendix removed ( hope you get the reference ) and a fetus as much a human as a mouse, you can't just step on it you have to do some work to get rid of it but after it's done away with you can go on with yourself. Who gets abortions in this country? I'll tell you, the fabricated whores of the last 20 years, raised watching mindless media telling them how to put on that make-up just right and how to get in the " cool " club, oh yes I've seen what abortion means to people nowadays, very little.

I see you are from Denmark, I'm actually planning a Scandinavian Tour Trip in August, all I know about your abortion policy is that it's legal on demand, I do not however know if it's as legal as it is in Canada. I assume that Denmark does not have the same social atmosphere as Canada, in fact I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near. The thing that I'm wondering right now is, how could a country that protected the Jews in defiance against Hitler be so open to the termination of a premature human being, does that not contradict your nation's principles? I'm just interested.

P.S. I've been to abortion clinics several times, they're not hard to find in Toronto, give me the chills every time.

 

True, but there's a fair few bits in there where it says killing can be okay if it's done in the name of God.

FYI

It's pretty obvious that abortion beliefs hinge on whether you believe a foetus is entitled to the same rights as an independent human. You're wrong to compare it to a mouse; a person would compare it more to a grow, a tumour, or whatever - an unwanted biological presence within ones body. I don't care if you don't agree with that because obviously you believe a foetus is entitled to the same rights as anyone else, even at a point when it cannot possibly survive outside the mother. It's a belief though, there's no real evidence to suggest either really, so I'd recommend a bit more tolerance, k? Nazi analogies don't really help anyone.



Why would an abortion clinic give you the chills though?

 

Unlike a slaughter house where death occurs for the process of meat, abortion clinics to me would be like slaughter houses where the dead cow carcases were put on top of one another in a pile and left to rot.

Answer your question?

 

Yes and no. I mean, you say they're like that "to me", but you know, if you think about it, that that isn't the case. So why subjugate your higher reasoning ability to primitive and misguided kneejerk reactions?

Might I suggest, just in passing, that anti-abortion workers aren't the best people to look to for impartial information about abortion? They tend to be, - oh, what is the word? - LIARS.

 

Either side of the abortion arguement is usually biased and tends to bend the truth, it's very hard to find a neutrality on the subject of abortion.

With that said however you have to understand that if you can afford it, it will be given to you in this world, in Hong Kong there are restaurants which serve monkey brain on a special table with the hole in it where customers bash the monkey to death and then the top of teh head is removed, I didn't believe that until a friend of my step dads who lives in china told me he had been to a few of those restaurants.

When you think about it, it wouldn't be that hard to get a fetus if you paid the people at the abortion clinic the right price, obviously not everyone would do it but there might be a few nurses looking for extra pay, after all there were crack downs in toronto a while ago on a restaurant that served endangered species such as bald eagle to the very wealthy who wanted it.

 

I understand it's a very delicate subject, but I believe life should be respected, and that includes the unborned