Abortion

A&O is right, many animals commit infanticide AFTER full term pregnancies. It is not all that uncommon, especially in crowded situations, where there is not enough food or water, if the mother is young or unexperienced, and many times, males will commit infanticide on completely awake aware infant animals, so the mother will go back into heat. IMO, that's certainly worse than a womyn ending a pregnancy early, when she knows it isn't what is best for her.

This is not medically true. Tell me what "may suck up too much" what materaial that? "Too much" of just what? In the hands of a trained doctor or midwife or technician, the wall of the uterus will not be "sucked up" into the vacuum. That is the only other thing which could be taken into the tube, and the resistance in attempting to remove uterine tissue would be huge, anyone who knew what they were doing would not "suck up too much." After the pregnancy material was removed, there would be nothing left to "suck up."

And in the condition of friable uterine tissue, a D&C could be used instead of a vacuum extraction. Please, get your medical facts right.

Induced menstruation can be done at any time. This is procedure, which was more common before abortion was legal, where the uterus is emptied BEFORE the womyn even knows if she was pregnant or not. The death rates were certainly lower with this procedure than with most back alley abortions.

In this day and age, there is no need to wait until the second month for an abortion. It can be done, safely, as soon as the womyn finds out she is pregnant. Early abortions are not only safer than later ones, but they are actualy, statistically safer than carrying to term.

And, pregnant womyn do not get "HANGOVERS." It is refered to as Pregnancy Emesis or Morning Sickness, although it often occurs all day long.

 

You say that now, but prison isn't cooking school.

 

Wow, are you a doctor? If you are I doubt you'd be spending time on a forum like this, so please, don't try and make yourself look all high and mighty here.

 

So only ignorant fools spend time on this forum?

...."high and mighty" huh? Pot calling kettle black.

Bottom line. When a 19 year old GUY (male, man, i/e someone who cannot get pregnant nor have enough age/wisdom under their belt yet to really understand) comes on a forum and posts an anti-abortion thread (a controversial subject in any context), particularly where one would EXPECT there to be quite a few strong and opinionated women who might just disagree, then I would say he is just looking for a fight. We've got your number maximus. What is your point in continuing to drill this into the ground? You hate women? I would bet money on it. Why don't you go grab your soapbox and your halo, and go to the nearest abortion clinic and throw rotten tomatoes, all in the name of morality? I, for one, have had enough of your bad attitude.
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And you don't know me.

So let's end that here.

 

Why don't you just be honest and say baby. Do you really think by useing your politically correct word fetus, that some how you can make most people believe that the child is something less than human. And is it not a fact that some how in your mind you feel superior to an unborn child. You call my comparison to nazis death camps, and abortion mills fallacious. I call it right on, because if you could see the children in the dumpsters with there small arms and heads ripped from their bodies, I don't think one would believe me to be to crazy when making that comparison. The problem here, is this crime against the human race is now hidden from view. Yet if people could actually see what they do to these children, you would have hang your head in shame.

And the point I was trying to make, if one was murdered in their sleep, they would be of the same mind set as the unborn child. Because both would not be aware of what just happened. When you are sleeping you donot have any thoughts on the topic either. because you are asleep, this does not justify murder. And you forget, that the unborn child is alive to, just in another location. And your arguement that the unborn child does not care because it is asleep is so lame. If you were asleep you would not care either, because you would be asleep to. And yet some how you believe your life has a greater value, because you were born before they were, and had a mother that did not kill you.

 

I find it really entertaining a 51 year old mother would be spending her time on a forum she should know is filled with people under 25. I don't play too many video games, I'm in University I don't have much time to waste, this forum takes several minutes away from me, I don't need crap from you. Yeah, sure, I hate women, yeah, maybe if I was a raging homosexual with some scaring childhood memories, otherwise I think that's pretty impossible, it'd be like a football player hating football.

 

Get used to the fact that 50 year olds reply to your posts here. This is hip forums and we lived through the sixties. We don't live by marketing schedules, maybe you do. You choose the college you attend by the marketing indexes, you 20 somethings should break out and realize you are being used. No one is promising you anything. You go into debt gaining education, when you finish who is going to hire you? If you don't plot your course based on your true interests and desires what the hell does your life really mean. Want to tell us about the true facts of live try living a bit of it yourself. Want to tell a woman what to do with her own body, then either be a woman or accept responsibility for creating live and keep your dick in your pants until you are man enough to support a family.

You want to tell us how to live, then start living yourselves.

 

You used live where you should have used life, more than once.

I'm not the average ignorant fuck living in NA, obviously our society here is built so the rich can prosper and teh average folk for the most part are destined for a simple life, we all die, no matter who we are, some of us try to change the world for the better but in the end the majority of the world which is made up of idiots screws it all up and ect. I know that much, I'm just lucky enough to have been born to parents with above average salaries, so I'll be better off in life than the average joe, I know, life's a bitch and we all die in the end, some of us leave a legacy and others die quietly. I'm just like the rest of the world, perhaps in a slightly better position than most, but I try to find the time to amuse myself, as we all do.

Of course if you look at life that way you may want to just kill yourself.

 

How can a man support a family when the woman aborts the baby???

PS, where you fucked up when you posted?

 

why do other people care what people do to themselves?? what concern is it of yours?? and why keep bitching about it?? nothing is going to change, I hope you all know that

 

I think most of us know life is screwed up in many ways and that we can't stop all the crimes like genocide in the world, but you know there's always a chance we might change something for the better.

 

only read the original post.

simply if your heart isn't pumping blood then you're not alive, an abortion isn't allowed into the point of the pregenacy when the baby heart starts to beat unless complication endager the baby or the mother,and a clinical abortion is done to protect the mother.

but the bigger question is why to other want to dictate live?
People should have the choice wheter or not they want a child, should they be punished becasue their contraceptions didn't work right or they didn't use them. Think every time you jack off one of your seed could of potienally been a genius.

the biggest promblem in this world is unprepared parents, they make kids that destroy the world, if you stop abortion people might be reduced to actully killing kids, or just dumping them,

 

Is life as precious as we like to believe? Really? Or are we just "a virus with shoes?"

 

Having a child should never be considered punishment. And do you really believe killing a child is perfered over giving a child up for adoption. And I believe there is a God in heaven who looks down on this earth and see the indifference in people who justify the buckets of blood filled with little arms and feet. And God will judge those people who will look on indifferently and say this is a good thing. God have mercy on people like this in the day of His judgement. This generation is so sick, they imbrace murder, and believe it is their right. The day will come when all people will stand before the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, and then tell Him it was your right to take a childs life. The Bible tells us it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. You tell God the real problem was just unprepared parents, and these kids were better off aborted. Yea, tell that to God.

If your heart is not pumping blood your not alive? And abortion is not allowed at that point of pregnacy? Where did you come up with this? I got news for you, the President had to pass a bill to try and stop late term abortions, and it's stuck in the courts as we speak. Why? Because some woman at the eight and ninth month don't want their child. So the doctors go in and cut the back of the kids head and suck out its brains. Then they deliever the baby dead on arrival. These procedure is done hundreds of times every year here in America alone.

 

I seriously can't believe this debate is still going on. Of course, somehow in all the arguing and madness alot of what was said before has been repeated somehow. I tried to follow the thread for quite a while, first posting, then giving up in total disgust. But I kept reading. So, while everyone continues to debate, mostly against Maximus, I noticed something. And came to a conclusion. Maximus started this mess. He made the original post, he stirred the pot, he started the name calling, he grew increasingly "open" about his beliefs as far as facism, racism, elitism, anti peace and love... He has proven to be a most dense individual with respect to his own ways and beliefs. By the way, I'm not addressing HIM, as he is so far out of my scope that in every day life, I would avoid him like the plague. His tactics seem to have been strongly borrowed from the likes of George Bush.

So, my conclusion is this. I believe that he is FAKE. Yes, he might be in college, but I can just see him sitting there with his buds, drinking beer and laughing his ass off at all the "stupid hippys" after having pulled one over on them, making them actually BELIEVE that he is for real, and jump around like puppets on a string. A real practical joker, that one. Great college prank. Ha ha. It's a power trip.

The only other conclusion that can be reached is that he is actually a total fruit loop. And possibly a dangerous one. Images of institutions for the criminally insane come to mind. At any rate, I believe that he has given those of us who cared to follow this nightmarish thread a good hard first hand look at what we should NEVER wish to be, and what could be considered some of the biggest problems faced by the human race.

Now, he'll probably hunt me down like a dog and murder me in my sleep...

 

I have to say i find the discussion relivant to a point. First of all, a man has never had a baby or had to decide if they wanted to have a baby, so that is strange that they care so much about something they can't even grasp.

Look, its a personal choice. It is different for everyone. That is why i am pro-choice. I believe a woman has a right to choose. That doesn't mean that i would choose abortion for myself though.

People make things too damn complicated if you ask me. Besides do you know any women who get "recreational abortions?"
I don't.
It's a big decision in someone's life and it shouldn't be taken lightly. I dont think too many women would take it lightly if they had the decision to make.
So men, quit squaking. you make our lives hard enough....

 

In Germany it use to be a personal choice to hand over a Jew. Did that make it right? No. But back then it was accepted. Now days we ask ourselves what were those people thinking. A day will come when future generations will look at what we are doing with abortion today and ask the same question. Naturally you would not choose abortion for yourself because it's your pound of flesh on the line. But how easy is for you to support a system that butchers someone elses child. At least as long as it not you on the chopping block.

 

Man, you guys need to stop taking life so seriously. Campbell comes to mind. There is nothing anymore special or sacred or "precious" in having sex and popping out a baby than there is in eating food and then taking a shit. Things live and die everyday and I really don't see how you people get so worked up about it.

 

Well the reason you say that is because you don't know God, and you don't understand why God put us here. When all you can relate life to is taking a shit,or having sex that pretty much tells me your understanding of life is very limited. There is a life beyond this one. Where you will spend it is up to you.