Abortion

So what? That's 1.5 million so whats per year in the US.
Under the current law it's permissible but I think it's unethical.

Bustramp

 

You know, I hear all of these arguments about no one having the right to tell a woman (the implication is really 'anybody') what she can do with her own body. The irony of all that is that we live in a country where the government is constantly telling people what they can do with their bodies: people are required to wear seatbelts, and they're fined or put in jail if they don't (a whole family got taken to jail for that down the road from me)-the government tells us exactly what kind of drugs we can and can't put in our bodies, arrests people and ruins their lives for using drugs that the government tells us not to use, and on and on and on. Every time we move we're doing something that's regulated by the damned government. The strange thing is that I almost never hear any outcry about these kinds of things.

However, when it comes to the issue of abortion, the matter of a growing life inside a woman's body, all of a sudden nobody has the right to tell that woman what she can do with that growing life, not even the father! As far as I'm concerned, the whole concept is totally hypocritical.

Obviously, we have accepted the idea, for better or worse, that the government has the right to tell us what we can do with our bodies, because we're allowing it to do that every day anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy about the majority of what the government is doing in that area at all, and I make that known. What really should be done though, is to ask the question of whether there is a real compelling reason for the government to intervene and protect life in certain instances. No one bats an eyelash at the government locking people up for years for smoking a joint, or slapping big fines (even jailing people) for not wearing seatbelts-but when it comes to protecting innocent life in the womb, it's just none of the government's business? All of a sudden 'it's my body, and I can do whatever I want with it'. Wow, well, who's body was it all of your previous life, before you thought about having an abortion, when the government was constantly telling you what you could do with it?

Don't get me wrong-I'm not at all crazy about the government telling us what to do and when to do it, but I honestly think that this whole argument is basically fallacious. We (not me, really) accept the government's right to hire armies of cops to penalize us for not wearing seatbelts because we might hurt ourselves if we don't wear them, but when there is the case of a woman definitely bearing a growing child in her womb, and planning to kill it, no less, all of a sudden it's nobody's business what she does with it but her? Boy, what a bunch of extreme hypocrisy. That's just incredibly twisted logic.

 

Pure logic, if you take the States for example, you've had very few good Presidents, that's a fact you can't deny, and since the majority decides the President, there you go, that's just one example.

 

Yeah, but this is in the States, as I have stated in some countries such as Canada, there are NO restrictions on abortion, you can have an abortion 2 days before the baby is due, okay, and our health care system pays for it ( 9 of 10 provinces ) and I'm argueing very much against that, in my view the morning after pill is fine, although it doesn't work all that good.

People have stated a number of times in this thread of a cluster of cells, true for the first few weeks, but I think after the first heartbeat and when that cluster of cells begins to form, now that becomes more than just a cluster of cells. I wish there were more Canadians on this forum.

 

I have no right going around teaching? Well the last time I looked, we still had freedom of speach in this country. Maybe you want to change that, but I still have the right to say whatever.

And yes the Bible was written by men, Yet they would of had to be men that were inspired by God, because only God knows the future. And the Bible is telling us than when you see the Jews return to the land of Israel you will know that the end of time is near. The Bible goes in to detail on this subject and I have studied it for many years. We are living in the last days, and a future without Christ is going to very uncertain. Ezekiel chapters 37, 38, and 39 will tell you what is going to happen in Israel if your interested. And reading those chapters will not hurt you. Those chapters might just open a door you never saw before.

 

Some people have grown up in a religion only to leave it later on in life, the reason for this is because religion is not God. You can not have a relationship with a religion. Some people are filled with religion, and that amounts to pretty much nothing. What a person really needs is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He is not just a historical figure, He is alive today. I personally know Him, and I have seen His power. He is the real thing.
There is enought knowledge out there to inform you that most abortions are for birth control. We have a free sex society today, and when a child comes along this generation has made the choice to kill these children. Only in our present time has such a sick and preverted generation accepted this as normal. God has a plan for the world, yet the Bible tells us the world loves evil rather than good. In the end, those who love God and good, will move on to the next step in His plan. The Bible tells us most of the world will embrace the evil. The Bible tells us that when you see the Jews returning to Israel, and when they take Jerusalem back by force, you will know then that Gods return is near.

 

So if a child comes into existance because of a rape, the child must die. Yea that sounds like something out of the middle ages. Yes it is always better to compound a rape with a murder, I'm sure the woman will feel so much better.

 

Back before the Cival War they use to say it is a slave owners right to control the functions of his slaves, and the government should not be interfereing with his personal property. THEY WERE JUST A WRONG ABOUT SLAVERY BACK THEN, AS WE ARE ABOUT ABORTION TODAY.

 

Perhaps murder should be legalized, because there is always the chance that the one doing the murdering might harm himself if he thinks he is going to be caught. Legal or not, murders will always find a way. Perhaps we should legalize all crime, that way only the innocent get hurt. So much for logic.

 

I don't believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control. I do believe that a woman has the right to decide if she doesn't want to carry a baby that was due to rape incest, or if the woman and/or the baby will die if she carries the child to term.

 

we are beating a dead horse here....no one is going to come out the victor in this debate..it is almost pointless and futile to even go on about it.

how 'bout we draw a line and pro lifers on one side, pro choicers on the other

 

The whole Slave thing is an "Apples and Oranges" comparison.

This thread is to ask everyones OPINION about abortion. You have turned this into a forum for your own personal crusade regarding your view on abortion. I can accept that your opinion is different from mine and that's fine. You seem to have trouble accepting that anyone could not agree with your opinion.

There is absolutly nothing to argue about. Opinions are exactly that OPINIONS.

Live Long and Prosper...

 

Okay, I knew this was going to explode sooner or later, but I've gottten a new and perhaps better idea for a thread, since there are so many more supporters of abortion, let's try and draw the line of abortion. Many of you have stated time and time again about how 1st trimester pregnancies are okay and pregnancy later on is either illegal ( States ) or questionable.

Now, where can I post a topic with a poll about how legal abortion should be?

Here or where?

Would be nice if some ideas of poll options came to play, I myself would offer four:

1. Should be legal for rape, incest, fetal disfunction and mother's health.
2. 1st Trimester
3. 2nd Trimester
4. No Restrictions

 

i would draw the line after #2....

 

How can you just "guess" how many people are being raped and not reporting it? Thats retarded.

 

Let me ask you something, do you eat meat?

Would you rather have a live cow slaughtered for your tastebuds...but I can't abort a baby that is growing inside MY body, living off of me?

Come the fuck on.

 

No. Actually in parts of the world in which abortion is either outlawed or there is not proper medical service to execute an abortion, the rates of abortions are actually HIGHER there, than they are here.

Thanks.

 

I wasn't guessing those are the statistics.

Bustramp

 

Prove it. Show your sources please.

 

The problem with the morning after pill, is that sometimes women don't know when to use it; say if a woman is taking her birth control religiously and STILL becomes pregnant, how would she even know to use it?

That's the problem...you can use any method of birth control, aside from abstinence, and there is still a chance of becoming pregnant, so you can't always blame it on the "irresponsibility" of the couple/or woman

You especially cant do that in cases of rape.