A well thought-out argument against anti-evolutionists

The bible is meant to be taken purely symbolicly. It is not "Gods" word that aggravates so many. it is orthodox Christians who twist the smybolic messages of the bible to try and bring meaning and order to their lives.

 

No, never did drugs, never was an alcoholic, never did jail. My only agenda is to warn people that Jesus Christ is returning to this world, and people need to be Born Again, and live their lives for Christ. It matters to me that you find Christ, because even if you don't care about Him, He really loves you. And He would be the best friend you will ever have, if you don't reject Him.

 

No, never did drugs, never was an alcoholic, never did jail. My only agenda is to warn people that Jesus Christ is returning to this world, and people need to be Born Again, and live their lives for Christ. It matters to me that you find Christ, because even if you don't care about Him, He really loves you. And He would be the best friend you will ever have, if you don't reject Him.

 

campbell34, i hope your keyboard snaps and your fingers fall off

 

I have seen a number of programs over the years which speak about human fossils found in coal and human created objects found in coal also.Those who support Evolution usually reject this evidence because it does not fit their theory. Yet it fits well with what the Bible describes about life on the planet. I believe there are a number of sites that speak of these things, here is one adress.
http://www.angelfire.com/nt/dragon9/UNOFFICIAL.html

 

Ok, not many scientists take into account the fictional tellings of the bible when conducting scientific research.

 

And that would be because they fail to realize that the accounts are not fictional, yet they ignore the evidence that would reveal that fact.

 

You know, even the catholic church is starting to recognize evolution. I had a fucking sunday school teacher, who was very adamantly religious by the way, who told us evolution is real. He had a strange example, but it's perfectly valid - egyptians, old ancient people, were a lot shorter than people today. Obviously there was a change. It was a long time ago, but to evolution, a fairly short period of time - enough to make a tiny change like that.

And I'm sorry, but an Angelfire website that cites no sources or evidence whatsoever is hardly credible.

 

Carrots were once weeds like thin turnips. Selective breeding over millennia made it into a sweet carrot. And selective breeding is evolution.
http://website.lineone.net/~stolarczyk/history.html

 

Well like I said before, there are a number of sites that speak of these things, you might try this one with sources. But I doubt you would be interested in these sites even with the sources, they simply don't agree with your mind set, even if they are true. I had a Pastor who was very religious who left his wife and ran off with the church secratary. So what, being religious does not mean you have understanding, facts are more important than outward appearences. And if you are a true believer in Evolution, you must learn to ignore many of those facts.
http://www.delusionresistance.org/creation/antedeluvian_finds.html

 

That is a much more reasonable site. However, I noticed something funny about one of the "artifacts" they found - a mechanical device embedded in 500,000 year old rock. The author of the site had the decency to include this in the description:


"EDITOR’S COMMENT: Several readers have stated that this artifact is indeed a spark plug from the 1920’s."

"The carefully shaped ceramic, metallic shaft and copper components hint at some form of electrical instrument. The closest modern apparatus that researchers have been able to equate it with is a spark plug. However, there are certain features - particularly the spring or helix terminal - that does not correspond to any known spark plug today. The rock in which the electrical instrument was found was dated by a competent geologist at 500,000 years old. "

An eighty year old spark plug was found encased in 500,000 year old rock. This makes absolutely no sense, but does suggest that young objects do occasionally find their way into old material.

I leave my mind open, and a lot of this is very interesting; that human remains and man made objects are found in material much older than we believe our race to be. However, the evidence suggesting evolution is overwhelmingly more prevalent than the evidence suggesting otherwise, so I stick with it as the most likely theory to be correct.

 

Well, as one supporter of Evolution stated, all the evidence for Evolution could fit in a small coffin with room to spare, so I would be intrested in knowing what evidence you are talking about. It is not the evidence for Evolution that is overwhelming, it is the global mindset. And I donot believe that rock is 500,000 years old, and I find it equally impossible for modern objects to just find themselves hundreds of feet below the surface, inbedded in solid rock. The fact is, there are many more finds like this, than there are finds that support evolution.

 

Campbell do you believe there were billions of different species of living organisms, and over the years some just die off? How do you explain extinction? Were some species "created" to just die out?

 

Naw, because the Bible is as sound as book can get.

 

Please find the symbolism in this verse for me...

The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil.

-John 7:7

 

its completely out of context, so i cant answer

 

but its obviously just more talk about evil and good. Whos to say that the bible was written soley by people who believed in the message of Jesus rather than the person of Jesus?

 

All was going well until you injected an opinion and appealled to emotionalism:

It therefore exposes your political motivations, labells you as a "'anti-religion' scientist" believer and short ciruits the discussion.

 

OK, what is the symbolic meaning of the underline verse as it is.... in context


John 7

1After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. 2But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." 5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.


6Therefore Jesus told them, "The right time for me has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8You go to the Feast. I am not yet[a] going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has not yet come." 9Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.

10However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. 11Now at the Feast the Jews were watching for him and asking, "Where is that man?"

12Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him. Some said, "He is a good man." Others replied, "No, he deceives the people." 13But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the Jews.

 

What?..... I'm not underestanding your point.