A Response to the Topic of Illegal Immigrants

Actually, it means that you don't seem to have the intelligence to understand what I am saying, so I see no point in continuing.

 

Go on, please, if you're going to say something asinine please explain.

 

You're not going to patronise me already, are you?

Where I said "Pardon" I didn't understand what you were trying to say, no.
But everything else was easy enough.
It was, infact, too simplistic and black and white: The good guys and the bad guys, so nicely and easily defined.
If only life was like that.

 

Considering I offered a simple way out of this conversation and you chose not to take it, YES, I most definitely am.

What you fail to grasp in my statement of...

...and I will try to use small words just for you...

You say I am wrong because the US didn't invent immigration laws...
While my contention is that they came from europe to get away from those that controlled every aspect of their lives there.

They came to be free...

They said their intentions were to build a free nation of individuals who could take destiny in their own hands and make of it what they wanted, without regard to royal blood lines and absolute rule...

Their intentions barely made it past the point of the ink drying. They immediately set out recreating the world they left. They went and literally stole free people out of their homes and made them slaves. They then continued on down the path of following in the example set by the lands they left. They made laws stating that some were not equal, that certain ones would stand above the rest and have control over their lives. They made laws regarding who else could come and share in this brave new world.

There was no sloughing off of the past, just the names of those in charge changed.

These are not representations of just the past, they are truer today then they ever were. Does this seem familiar to you?

Do you see anywhere in there guidance that leads to walls being built to keep people out?

Why? Because that was part of what the 'ancient lands' did that they were escaping from.

Did they escape from it? Not in the slightest. They recreated the basis of the society they left.

Of course there are always some assholes who want to keep everything for themselves and not share it... that goes back to why people sailed for months risking literally everything on a chance at freedom in the new world, to escape that type of world.

And then they built it all over again.

The best part of it all, is that people like you can't seem to recognize this fact... Which is precisely why it happened.

Because YOU and those like you choose to ignore the realities of the situation and the world we live in while accusing those who point them out to you of being outdated or wrong.

But hey, continue to hold to your beliefs, you have the right to be wrong.

 

I doubt that freedom stretched to International travel issue and peoples immigration status.
However, I'm not disputing that a lot of those that came from Europe eventually forced vast swathes of the indigenous populace into reservations etc.
My point is, do you not think those same indigenous people also had disputes amongst themselves as to who's land was who's, and they forced undesirables off their lands too?
Do you not think some of the indigenous populations wanted the newly arrived Europeans off their lands even when their was relative peace?
The indigenous people were effectively pursuing their own immigration policy.
You might say it is a bit of stretch, but basically it''s true.

The dispute of land ownership and who should and should not be in certain places, has been occurring since we swang from the trees.

I say join the realities of the 21st century, because we are in a paradigm where we do have immigration laws and that's just the way it is.

 

No, I wouldnt say it's a bit of a stretch, I would say it is totally false. Very few native tribes kept EVERYONE out. They kept those they felt would be a danger out. Not those that may have more skill, not those who may have had more knowledge, not those who were more willing to work.

As for that last line...

That was the same line people were using to fight equality for women, blacks and every 'advancement' in our societies.

It's also the same line that most normals use to argue against weed and other drugs.

So, congratulations, you just joined the ranks of those who argue against progress out of nothing but fear of the future.

 

Does America keep everybody out?

Also, you have no idea what the immigration policies would be like now if Europeans hadn't gone to the "The New World".
I'm quite sure that the indigenous people would have found themselves in the same realities as America finds itself now.
That is why we should stick to the 21st century not some idealistic world you are trying to force upon the world of today.

You are presuming I agree with all the immigration policies of the US of A.
I don't. All I was saying is that certain things are universal...In one form or another.

 

On one hand you argue that I have no clue what the policies 'would be like' in a hypothetical situation, and then you argue that you do...

Good job, and you wonder why I would why I would "patronise" you... lol

You ignore my attempt to walk away from the convo and then you accuse me of trying to force my views on the world because I answer your direct questions... Fucking grow up...

No, actually I did not... In fact, the only beleif of yours that I mentioned was the one you stated...

Once again, you are demonstrating what I said better then I could ever explain it. In this case, that you don't have the capabilities to have an intelligent conversation.

It is really easy to talk to me you know, I don't hold back, I don't make innuendoes, I don't infer things... If I have something to say, I say it... so if I don't say it, it is a good bet that I wasn't thinking it.

So, until the day that you gain enough intelligence to actually read what is written and respond to it, as opposed to making up your own meaning to my words... this conversation is over on my part...

 

Whatever you wish to think I guess...

 

I will when I say something asinine. Have you explained all the asinine things you've posted?

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You made an accusation, diversity doesn't work, burden of proof is in your court. I don't make one line statements then run away.