a question for religious affiliates

So does someone saying that their religion is right because it is right for them make much sense?

 

why do you need to be right?

why does there need to be a right?

right and wrong are relative.

 

How can that be right?

 

LOL

well.....technically their doesnt need to be anything

but everybody wants something.....

and thats just how it is.....

 

let that one simmer in ya a lil longer

 

But how do you know that's just how it is? How do you know that's correct if there is no right or wrong?

 

this is how i see this ending up being discussed...

absolutist pov - there is a set right and wrong in all situations

relativist pov - there is no set right and wrong, it is relative to the situation and setting, as well as other conditions

once we venture into the absolutism vs relativism topic i think we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree. i believe that both schools of thought have their place and its best not to put all of your eggs in one basket. spread the wealth and see the other pov. try and gain something from understanding both.

 

the problem is

How can someone claim that this is true without right and wrong? Is it an absolute truth?

 

the truth is in action. the moral outcome is what is debatable.

it is that way because it is relative to the situation and conditions... the nature of relativity.

scrap dualism and embrace holistic thought.

 

i don't understand.

 

nature is the only truth there is, nature acts on instinct. the natural order is the way of life, the true truth.

right and wrong are two sides of the same coin.

right and wrong are not necessary for truth... truth speaks for itself... right and wrong are ways to quantify/express truth at a human level. i wish i was a wordsmith... this seems very vague but i hope my intent is passed on.

 

thats not the question.....the question were asking that has been debated for hundreds of years is, is the moralistic values, philosophically speaking, that we as human beings atatched to the words right and wrong actually correct....

we all know their is such thing as a right and wrong.....(assuming were all being rational here....) the question is, what is right and wrong.....

and this is problably the reason the first philosophical empire was a democracy......

because voting is necessary for shit like this.....if it barks like a dog and looks like a dog, 10 people say its a dog and 1 person doesnt....

its not a duck....

 

I feel there are absolute ethics, some things just can't be other than wrong, and other things you just know are right.
But.... What do I believe about religion? We're all unique, so there are as many valid faiths as there are hearts to feel them.
I'm right, you're right, I'm here, you're there, you can't be me, vice versa, and so how can I claim to know what is right for you to believe? I can't.
But I can say the unprovoked, malicious, sadistic torture of innocents is patently wrong, period. I'll stand by that.
And offering aid when it is needed is right. It just is. Giving it unbidden, or worse, against the persons wishes... not so much, imo.

 

right and wrong in a moral sense, to me:

right - following the natural way of things
wrong - going against the natural path

black, i agree with ya 100%. you say good ethics, i say following The Way. be, let be and give a helping hand when ya can.

 

So you believe there are moral absolutes, things that are always good and always bad, but we can't know what they are?

 

Could you be a little more specific about what the natural way of things is, what that means?

 

i say their is a good, and a bad, but both have been assigned to actions or conditions appointed by human conciousness like every other word has.....

....if it barks like a duck....and pants like a duck.....you might want to pick up a dictionary......

savvy?

note:i try staying away from metaphysics/mystics boundries in most of my posts.....any argument is valid in those catigories.......

 

So you're saying that we as human beings determine what is good and what is bad, correct?

When you say metaphysics do you mean things beyond the physical realm(supernatural)?

 

JLPMGHRS,

if you really want to see where i'm coming from check out THIS LINK. I will attempt to describe my own thoughts on what i mean by the 'natural way' but it will be nothing like the carefully crafted Tao Te Ching, the taoist 'holy' book.

i'm more or less a taoist. i won't normally bring up my views and force them into your head, that isn't my intent here, i am trying to let you know where i am coming from. i believe everyone has a healthy relationship with whatever they believe in and what i am expressing here is what i believe my relation with the Tao. only for the sake of what you have asked me will i bring this post to life...

taoism is The Way, a path in life, to be come as close to the natural order of the everything. everything - not even the universe, or the largest word you can dream up to explain the awesomeness/hugeness of our sorroundings can explain the massiveness of the Tao. at the same time it is undescribably subtle. the natural way is simply what nature has intended for us to be and what we are, oneness with EVERYTHING - that which we can see and can't, that which we can comprehend and also of that which we cannot fathom. i believe we are all of the same essence and energy as everything we can see and even that which we cannot.

i believe it is the natural way to be and let be. we are all here together, we share this space with other animals, the air, rocks, and countless other galaxies. always think on the most vague and profound level of what would be the most natural path and you will know The Way. if you are going out of your way to impede the progress of nature then you are not living in accordance with The Tao. be one with the way.


"The Master does his job and then stops. He understands that the universe is forever out of control, and that trying to dominate events goes against the current of the Tao. Because he believes in himself, he doesn't try to convince others. Because he is content with himself, he doesn't need others' approval. Because he accepts himself, the whole world accepts him. "

 

exactly.....to a rational extent of coarse.....

i mean pointless arguments and arguing that goes nowere at all, has no logical validity and involves no rational thought.....(in most cases at least)

via: someone saying a bananna took a shit and that turned into the univurse 10 years later has just as much validity as any mainstream religion....

and some people would actually support a suggestion like that....and im surely not the one to tell them their wrong because for all i know it could be verry wright....but thats the argument for everything in cases like this....

the color blue isnt called blue because thats the way of the univurse (as far as im concearned) .....its because human beings made it that way.....and their will almost always be someone that wants to disagree (because of irrational thought, metaphysics reality, perception ect...)...