A Peaceful non-violent society is inevitable

Thomas Hobbes? social contract.

 

Yes, I'm more aware of Karl Marx than you, apperantly. and, he was the epitome of a violent government sympathizer. He want to MURDER anyone who wouldn't willingly give up 90% of their money. The Rothechilds and, Rockefellers- who, were members of the illuminati, actually financed him and, his violent ideas. Not because he went after rich people, but, because his ideas demand absolute Government Control..

 

Btw, those two families alone could end poverty everywhere with the excess money they have. The reason they don't just help others, is because it's not really about helping people, it's about robbing them...

 

Government is barbaric. Communism, the excuse of lying, stealing and killing people, with their own money, is completely barbaric. Capitalism, mixed with Goverment or psuedo-capitalism, is barbaric- but, it is not true capitalism. You're attacking a free system, that allows anyone to make something of themselves, in favor of a system where ONLY Government has money, and, 90% of our paycheck is stolen, and the ONLY services we get come from Government. IMO, your option is much more barbaric, and if you people understood, that you still can't hurt anyone or, damage their property, we wouldn't be having the conversation about "evil corporations taking over." They wouldn't be able to sick the Government at people, and thus, they would have no more power than us.

The system of Government allows and is based around bribery.

Look at how the CEO of Monsanto, became head of the Fda, and declared GMOs are fine to eat, and need no labelling. Obama also passed a law, making it impossible to sue monsanto, even if their product causes cancer.


The Great lakes of Michigan lose over 15ft of water each year, but, due to legal loopholes, they can continue to steal property, that belongs to people who live along those Lakes, and pay but $200 per year, for stealing property that doesn't belong to them.

Under my system, you would have lawsuits, but, it is also important that people look into the Companies they support. This may seem like the "catch" to Liberals, but, in reality, there is no life which one can remain in ignorant bliss, and not be taken advantage of.

 

What would stop companies from taking even more water from the great lakes if there was no government at all?

 

They are damaging and stealing other peoples property, therefore at the very least, those people are entitled to financial reprecussions. But, as I said, we need consumer awareness either way, because covering our eyes/ears, and pretending Government is doing something; is obviously not working.

Moreover, without a system based on wealth and, force- there wouldn't be a power structure, which the wealthy could abuse, to maintain control of the citizens, than, they would be tried just as a citizen would. If they are stealing or damaging property, they should go to jail like everyone else.

The answer is not a Gang given God-like powers to kill and maim, in the name of security. Moeover, this is the information age. If corporation tries to exploit people today, it goes on the internet, and people boycott as a result.


Someone mentioned Walmart, who I am not a fan of either; But, the Consumer wants good quality products, at a cheap price. Moreover, alot of people don't know about walmarts corrupt practices. But, like I said, the answer is not to blindly trust the Government, because that is not a true solution, it is merely blind faith in a system of mere mortals, who are known for taking bribes, and, working against the true best interest of the people.

By saying the Government is doing something for us, by taxing them, is really silly. It also hires them for contracts, and allows them to write their own regulations to abolish competitors.

as I said, you Liberals are quick to criticize, but, you wont acknowledge the reality of the massive Government you're pushing. The reason why every example of Socialism/communism is total Government, is because Communism is yet another tool, to get us to embrace our servitude to Government.

 

What's the difference between brotherhood and servitude? Is it the same as between sexual contentment and alienation? I disagree with you over the meaningfulness of how a governing body acts justly there. However, we should not be stool pigeons wooses or chickens if we believe in that our common cause was just. \i agree; that's no good.

 

See you acknowledge my example of private sector corruption irrespective of government and offer no counter argument about how that same scenario is avoidable in your ideal version of the world.


It stands to reason that in your world, lots of individuals won't educate themselves on corrupt private business practices.

A few will but that's hardly enough to exercise legal change.


Government isn't always the solution, but you take that to an extreme in your beliefs to a level I don't agree with because there are examples where government successfully represented the average American and helped them.


The negatives where government and corporations hurt the average person, comes more specifically from the campaign election process, and from lobbying efforts.

Before one advocates to get rid of all government, I want to see a less invasive approach to fixing problems and something a LOT less dependent on conspiracy theories about the "elite" families control everybody.


You cannot use that "elite families" support claim because it has not been verified beyond conspiracy status.

 

Ignorance, in any society, will lead to people being exploited. You think the Government doesn't exploit the people? We're making exactly what we we're in the 1970's, but, the value of everything has gone down. and btw, I mentioned two, I said they could be jailed or, forced to pay retribtution. Government today does nothing, except work for the corporations. MY explanations are based on individual freedom, yours is about instituting force. I actually feel bad for you, that you actually believe a system of violence is the only method for keeping everyone in line.

I believe people are more intelligent, and, will boycott corporations, especially with corrupt operations. BUT, if you trust the Government to indescriminately punish people, just for making something of themselves, is NOTHING if nothing if not misinformed.

If the Government kills us, steals from us, and acts above the law, how is this any worse than what (you think) would happen in my society.

The thing is, that we're being abused by corporations, cause the Government doesn't enforce their laws; Bribery, fraud and, other such activities are illegal, however, the Government plays favorites, in today's system, and do not enforce those laws, amoung the Elite Class.

So, you Liberals aren't grasping the fact, that our problems are caused by Government and their ability to control the laws, and instead saying that is the best option for solution. When you give Government the power to decide who's innocent/guilty and, decide what is crimes, while they themselves are above this arbitrary "law;" There is going to be a huge market of bribery. The answer is taking their power away, and, taking care of ourselves, without the theft and brutality of Government.

I said this already, but you're not listening, because you don't want to question the Status Quo.. You're stuck in the paradox that it's okay to Force people into Government institutions, merely people it is for the good of the collective, and, it goes much deeper than that

 

No no, what you "THINK" I believe is wrong! I've told YOU this over again and again that you are taking micro-examples of when I think laws by government do WORK, and then generalize that into a macro-belief that I am turning a blind eye to the bad side of some government policies with various corporations.


In short, stop treating and scapegoating me as an ignorant dumb-ass sheeple.


I said on a case by case basis, regulations and rules need to be looked at and lessened or tightened appropriately.

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Also on your comment "Government today does nothing, except work for the corporations. MY explanations are based on individual freedom, yours is about instituting force. I actually feel bad for you, that you actually believe a system of violence is the only method for keeping everyone in line.

I believe people are more intelligent, and, will boycott corporations, especially with corrupt operations. BUT, if you trust the Government to indiscriminately punish people, just for making something of themselves, is NOTHING if nothing if not misinformed".


I acknowledge when government doesn't enforce the Clean Air Act for example on a utility company and whatnot, and I recognize those flaws of government regulation via lack of enforcement. I and many others are mad at them for that.

But government DOES do something, and I speak from personal experience and from a friend's experience about how some local stores I've held jobs for, were not following safety standards, and I got fired because I reported them to OSHA, and OSHA came in and ONLY THEN did they comply with the very simple task of not storing items on shelves that put a significant danger of falling on customers and opening the store up to a lawsuit.

Before I called OSHA to report my employer, the owner and manager did NOT do the right thing on their own by default of "good character", also ignored my personal warnings as an employee. GOVERNMENT FORCE had to be used to get my employer to change behavior.

Historically this was the case for:

1. Slavery, and the issues that arose right after slaves were freed.

2. Civil Rights issues




I also want to add that GOVERNMENT, issues many grants for non-profit charities and student loans and internship programs for students to build up work history and get started in the world, rather than having to take a loan from a private bank for school or a car is a very GOOD THING that isn't about benefiting corporation.

So your claim that government ONLY works for corporations (an absolute statement mind you) is factually wrong, and this is why you come across as insulting, pompous and uninformed.




(Note: you also spelled "indiscriminately" and "retribution" and "among" wrong, I have corrected them in my quote of you)

 

Ill get to your other post in a second, but, I wanted to address this...


Before one advocates to get rid of all government, I want to see a less invasive approach to fixing problems and something a LOT less dependent on conspiracy theories about the "elite" families control everybody.


You cannot use that "elite families" support claim because it has not been verified beyond conspiracy status


This is a total lie. David Rockefeller has openly said

[SIZE=+1]"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."[/SIZE]

this was written in his "memoirs." Maybe you should look into this stuff, and not just write them off as "crazy conspiracies" It's like Ron Paul said "Conspiracy theories throughout history, have been true 90% of the time." Look at the ancient Greece, they thought they had a Democracy; When in reality, they were being ran by aristocrats the whole time.

In some cases, it can be very dangerous to take Government at face value. Most of them will do anything for money/power. But, Ill get into that more, when I reply to your next post...

 

The opposite of what the Rockefellers claim, would be true, IMO. "one world -and I am guilty."

 

The opposite being no one's innocent now is repugnated for the consequence that innocent is appreciated for friendship as fleeting and temporary it may be. Terrorists are all around and they take over the guilty place in the plagued universe of historical traditions. Sad, but true.

 

I need some questions answered by hardcore Libertarians.

1. Do you want no form of a police department or national guard? I understand less government but this absolutely free society will not be free of wanna be warlords and gangs.

2. Do you think a private fire extinguishing company could work in a real world scenario?

3. You can see population rising, and demand for people decreasing rapidly with innovations in machinery and robotics. How is employment going to remain gainful enough to ensure a world with a middle class?

 

You know where I also heard that piece of audio?


On a YouTube video that was using the one world government conspiracy and that quote to justify that aliens and the elite were working together for Satan.


^ not credible piece of evidence I need much more proof than that.

 

Also David has been dead for a long time now.

 

Aliens killed him... Maybe

 

Who will prevent people from stealing from one another? Do you intend to run your civilization by the honor system?

 

Personal property rights... In other words, who has the most assault rifles and ammo.

 

That's what they want you to believe :bobby: :sunny:

It will be such a peaceful society... after they emptied their guns