A Peaceful non-violent society is inevitable

Yet, you still don't grasp the basic concepts of it..

I'm trying to teach people that we can live together peacefully without Government. at least my message consistently advocates peace, freedom and Human Rights. Liberals ONLY defend Rights that effect them, and have openly attacked the Second amendment. So, your answer is to have Government with their Guns, as means of protecting everyone from peaceful citizens defending themselves from Government Tyranny.

 

true for anyone fighting for rights that only effect them or their interests, right?.....it is not only liberals.....

 

I never said your opinion was worthless. Jesse Ventura I like, Obama I do not. He has been a disaster with Regards to Human Rights and freedoms.

I was once a liberal, and, it's not my intention to offend those of you, who are. However, I do encourage you to ask these hard questions, about our elected leadership.

 

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Spitting ‘liberal’ into our faces does not address the outstanding criticisms of your ideas

Repeating stuff does not answer the outstanding criticism already leveled at the ideas

Telling us we are wrong because we are wrong does not address the outstanding criticisms of your ideas

Telling us that if we criticizes your ideas then we must love war and murder and want a camera in every home, does not address the outstanding criticisms of your ideas

And saying you have addressed the criticism in any rational way is just plain lying.

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All we get is the same old and rather stale anti-government, free market and Social Darwinist mantra that falls apart under the slightest examination.

The anti-government thing (anti-tax, anti-regulation) is just a veiled pro-wealth argument.

A free market never has and never could exist the way the free market evangelist claim, again it’s just another pro-wealth con game they’ve fallen for.

Exploitation is a fact of life, Hardship is a fact of life, Sickness is a fact of life, etc etc – So the Social Darwinist argument goes that nothing can be or should be done about alleviating such things. It’s a system that advantages the already advantaged – again it’s pro-wealth.

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As to freedom its basically the freedom of might is right, those with power and influence (wealth) will make the laws and decide on cases, they will have their own private armies of ‘security’ argent's to protect their interests at the expense of those weaker – you seem to want a return to the lords and peasants model of society.

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Strip out the belly aching, bluster and hollow rhetoric from your posts and what’s left has little or no substance. So can you please stop pushing out this shit and actually address the outstanding criticisms in a rational and reasonable why and if you can’t do that, shouldn’t you be asking yourself why you can’t do that?

 

But, Balbus, the government means Elections: which settle and test the tolerance of various individuals and instituted cases of agreed upon agenda for change. Is justice determining for a democratic ideology to be peacefully considered for election results and thereby, if not (which is my opinion), to be considered in the terms of the ideal judgement of a people's consequential Ethos, an ethos important to know about: because it is of OR by a majority or minority?

Who cares? some elections, for the turn outs or for the consideration for obligation, are felt after the fact like sport events.

And people may be, quite in the containment of their own senses, have the best at heart; nevertheless, the citizens have this innate capacity for going against Nature and the science of the objects about the natural world.

 

Another assumption, dude. I for one never read that.

Anyway, calling everyone a liberal simply because they nuance your rigid opinions about government when people tell you several times that only rings true in your own head makes you look slightly retarded or even if you're trolling (since you resort to it sooner or later in pretty much EVERY damn thread you make). But keep ignoring that, it makes your threads so much more worthwile... right?

Why not answer this question?

 

By this point, everyone on this site has read your argument hundreds of times and we all understand it. You are making the mistake of assuming that because someone disagrees with you, they must just not understand your argument (because it makes sense to you).

 

Well not everyone has read all his arguments to be honest (who can blame them, he's repeating himself so much you sometimes skip a few paragraphs), but the most absurd thing is of course that everyone who disagrees with him is a liberal and he resorts to ruining his own threads with accusations and calling names.
Hey, this can happen in a thread (still slightly pathetic though). But he's doing it in pretty much all of his threads. There's nothing constructive or informative about that.

 

SHAME ON YOU!!! :toetap05:
Your opinion is just as a valid and valuable as anyone else's here.

Don't waste your time or energy trying to decipher what Stp says, he is in desperate need of psychiatric intervention.

Do yourself a favor when you read Stp's post's, do what Tom and most others do regarding his ideas;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04KEmsAc8k"]Tom Hanks laughs at you for 30 seconds. - YouTube

:mickey:

 

OMG!!!!!
Balbus and I agree 100% on something!!!!

 

StpLSD25, I will give you the main reason that myself and maybe others take the stand they do regarding you and your presentation of your ideas.
It is not that the ideas/philosophies you espouse are themselves the complete "problem", it is that what you are trying to promote is almost the polar opposite of the way in which you promote it.

You promote a freer society with less governmental control/intrusion, etc.,etc.,etc., all good and understandable ideals, yet the manner in which you present and promote your ideas borders on paranoid fascism.
If anyone disagrees with you, you immediately slap a label on them and group them with your "enemies"; The Liberals. (as has been pointed out numerous times yet you still don't seem to comprehend the problem with it)

That is fascism at it's core.
That is why you can not be taken seriously.
That is why I personally believe you suffer from mental illness.
Your absolute refusal to ever consider any other possibility outside of those classifications of "friend" and "enemy" you have constructed enables you to easily comprehend and cope with the world.
You see the things wrong and where improvements can be made, same as all the rest of us, and you strive for what you feel would be the best solution, same as everyone else.
Yet you have delved into an endlessly deep and muddled quagmire of politics and ethics in search of this ideal, and sadly it doesn't exist.
That gives rise to the anxiety and even more stringent conviction concerning your ideals and their presentation.
Due to emotional instabilities, you are internally forced to make quick and simple divisions/categorizations that allow you to cope with the fact that there is no clear cut answer, only more questions.

It is much easier and internally safer for you to consider any who disagree with you as not fully understanding the issue or as flat out "the enemy" rather than entertain the idea that you may be wrong or the reality that such an idealistic society as you desire does not exist nor will it ever truly exist.
For some people that is a really fucking hard pill to swallow.


It is not your ideas that are in question, it is your emotional/mental stability.
Honestly, seek help if you are not already under someone's care.

 

You guys have been posting random shit for a page and a half, and all you did was prove my point.

asmodean went and proved my point, that you Liberals are sooo ignorant, you don't even listen to any opposing views.


This is why I repeat myself. Cause you closed-minded ignorant Government Sympathizers wont listen to any opposing views.

 

You basically just proved Noxious right. Your tactics remind me of the whole red-scare shit in the US, where everyone who was critical of the state was labelled as a 'communist', only you choose to label people who disagree with you as 'liberals', despite clearly not understanding what the term liberal means.

 

Saying I proved your point does not make it so.

Please answer that on topic question! It could serve your point. I will include it here again for your convenience:

 

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Telling us that we are liberals, close minded, ignorant and unwilling just to accept you ideas without question - does not address the outstanding criticisms of your ideas.

 

Who decides the rules in your utopia? Who enforces them? Who funds/runs the jail for people who commit crimes? Who provides for their defense if they can't afford it? Who even makes the rule that we're all entitled to a lawyer?

Who paves the roads? Who provides for education and ensures children dont end up working in sweatshops ran by unrestrained corporations? Who will provide care for children if their parents beat them? Who will keep our air quality from resembling Shanghai?

 

OK, I have been corrected twice around here about firehouses not being govt run, so I stand corrected.....My bad. I went on what someone told me once, as I never read about firehouses or did much research about them myself.......
Whoever funds them......I have much respect and love for firemen as a group....

 

OMG. who will be there to impose arbitrary laws unto people, without an institutionalized gang? That's what you are asking...


It is Liberals who cannot defend their views. It's obvious you support a system of Force, and you're trying to scare people into believing that without the Gang of Government, the sky would fall.

Then, Eggs sits here and claim Im the one using fear tactics? Kiss my asshole. It's you guys who are trying to scare people, by pretending that under my system, the "evil corporations" would take control...

Meanwhile, in our current society, ( that you're defending) is nothing except a system of violence. I stand by what I said, you're ignorant, brainwashed slaves of Government..

 

Oh, you are cute all right....

 

Well, at least he's polite.