A new society is being created as we speak.

The first two are the same article from the same man from Human Life International and the third calls Unicef "The Devil" LOL! I am afraid I will have to trust the coorperate CBS news before I trust the fundies- Ban Lifted

(snip)

I will check them out. I almost feel as if everyone is trying to blame everyone else for America's massive mercury poisoning. Is it the fish, pollution, vaccinations, dental fillings?
I rarely hear them all mentioned at the same time.

 

did you look at the references?

"Clinical profile and Toxicology Studies on Four Women Immunized with
Pr-B-hCG- TT," <Contraception>, February, 1976, pp. 253-268.

"Observations on the antigenicity and clinical effects of a candidate
antipregnancy vaccine: ,B-subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin
linked to tetanus toxoid," <Fertility and Sterility>, October 1980,
pp. 328-335

"Phase I Clinical Trials of a World Health Organization Birth Control
Vaccine," <The Lancet>, 11 June 1988, pp. 1295-1298. "Vaccines for
Fertility Regulation," Chapter 11, pp. 177-198, <Research in Human
Reproduction, Biennial Report> (1986-1987), WHO Special Programme of
Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction
(WHO, Geneva 1988).

"Anti-hCG Vaccines are in Clinical Trials," <Scandinavian Journal of
Immunology>, Vol. 36, 1992, pp. 123-126.

5 These institutional names are garnered from the journal articles
cited in the previous footnote.

6 <Lancet>, 11 June 1988, at p. 1296.

7 <Challenges in Reproductive Health Research, Biennial Report
1992-1993>, World Health Organization, Geneva, 1994, p. 186.

8 G.P. Talwar, et al, "Prospects of an anti-hCG vaccine inducing
antibodies of high affinity...(etc)," <Reproductive Technology> 1989,
Elsevier Science Publishers, 1990, Amsterdam, New York, p. 231.

9 3 DOH vaccines untested by BFAD," <The Philippine Star>, 4 April
1995, pp. 1, 12.

10 "BFAD junks re-testing of controversial shot," <Manila Standard> 7
April 1995; "DOH: Toxoid vaccines are safe," <The Philippine Star>. 7
April 1995.

11 "Ottawa got blood tainted by HIV." <Ottawa Citizen>, 4 April 1995.

12 A nearly two-year old communique from Tanzania tells a familiar
story: tetanus toxoid vaccinations, five in all, given only to women
aged 1545. Nigeria, too, may have been victimized; see <The Lancet>,
4 June 1988, p. 1273.

(1) "Abortifacient vaccines loom as new threat," HLI Reports, November 1993, pp. 1-2.

(2) World Council Reports, 28 November 1994, pp. 4-5.

(3) A call placed by this writer on 5 May 1995 to the Montgomery County (Maryland) Health Department, Epidemology Division -- Infectious Diseases -- Adult Immunizations, elicited the following information:

Q. For how long a time does the tetanus vaccination offer protection?
A. 10 years.
Q. Have you ever heard of any adult requiring three tetanus vaccinations within a 3 or 4 month time period, and a total of 5 vaccinations in all within a year or so?
A. Whaaaat! Never. No way!

Reports from the Philippines appear to confirm the 10-year immunity afforded by tetanus toxoid vaccinations: prior to the campaigns begun in 1993, the so-called booster shots were given only every 10 years.

(4) More than a score of articles, many written by WHO researchers, document WHO's attempts to create an anti-fertility vaccine utilizing tetanus toxoid as a carrier. Some leading articles include:

"Clinical profile and Toxicology Studies on Four Women Immunized with Pr-B-hCG-TT," Contraception, February, 1976, pp. 253-268.

"Observations on the antigenicity and clinical effects of a candidate antipregnancy vaccine: B-subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin linked to tetanus toxoid," Fertility and Sterility, October 1980, pp. 328-335.

"Phase 1 Clinical Trials of a World Health Organisation Birth Control Vaccine," The Lancet, 11 June 1988, pp. 1295-1298. "Vaccines for Fertility Regulation," Chapter 11, pp. 177-198, Research in Human Reproduction, Biennial Report (1986-1987), WHO Special Programme of Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (WHO, Geneva 1988).

"Anti-hCG Vaccines are in Clinical Trials," Scandinavian Journal of Immunology, Vol. 36, 1992, pp. 123-126.

(5) These institutional names are garnered from the journal articles cited in the previous footnote.

(6) Lancet, 11 June 1988, p. 1296.

(7) Challenges in Reproductive Health Research, Biennial Report 1992-1993, World Health Organization, Geneva, 1994, p. 186.

(8) G.P. Talwar, et al, "Prospects of an anti-hCG vaccine inducing antibodies of high affinity...(etc)," Reproductive Technology 1989, Elsevier Science Publishers, 1990, Amsterdam, New York, p. 231.

(9) "3 DOH vaccines untested by BFAD," The Philippine Star, 4 April 1995, pp. 1, 12.

(10) "BFAD junks re-testing of controversial shot," Manila Standard, 7 April 1995; "DOH: Toxoid vaccines are safe," The Philippine Star, 7 April 1995.

(11) "Ottawa got blood tainted by HIV." Ottawa Citizen, 4 April 1995.

(12) A nearly two-year old communique from Tanzania tells a familiar story: tetanus toxoid vaccinations, five in all, given only to women aged 15-45. Nigeria, too, may have been victimized; see The Lancet, 4 June 1988, p. 1273.

 

well now that this new terrorist threat is being bantered about (possibility of food contamination through biological or chemical agents), maybe now would be a great time for EVERYONE to begin thinking in Organic terms....permanently.

 

We could think about who made the threat as well.

nimh-I'm sorry, but I would have to physically look at the references and how they are used if I were to understand your condemnation of Unicef, and I don't have that sort of time. If you check those other links I posted you can guess why I am not bothering.

Do you understand how the Christian Right manipulates their use of references in their attempts to distort the truth? They spread these disgusting conspiracy theories to serve their ends, and then call everyone who questions them a "conspiracy theorist." Genius really, I'll give them that.

In other news: I was just watching a special on the "Lord of the Rings", and it got me to thinking. We really have to seduce people back to nature with the promise of a new kind of life. When you look at the sets for Rivendell and Hobbiton and remember how everybody you know sighs and wishes they could live like the elves. You wonder why they don't, why people HAVE to live this controlled sort of life that has been laid out for them like a concrete path with huge, unscalable walls around it.

As a matter of fact, we are in for a crisis of epic proportions if people DON'T stop living like they do. We have to use the rest of our fossil fuels to find alternatives to fossil fuels or people will die on a massive scale. (Read Thom Hartmann's "Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight" ) If nothing else can break people out of their mental fog, perhaps the seduction of living a new kind of life will. Heck, it worked for me.

I was also thinking earlier in the car; In "The Origin of Consciouness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" Julian Jaynes theorizes that in prehistoric times, the two sides of the brain were more fully connected and what we call hallucinations would be an everyday occurence. People had something akin to a television playing in their heads all of the time.

Now we have these story machines in our houses that pump their own visions into our heads giving us a more "controlled" fantasy life. All the material is now chosen for us, and whether or not it is chosen for a particular reason, our own hopes and dreams and fantasies are washed away and replaced with hopes and dreams and fantasies so much "better" and so much more "important" than our own.

I didn't think much about having an inner voice until I moved out into the woods. Now I have these long and interesting conversatons with myself, but it doesn't make me feel crazy. In fact, I feel less crazy than I have ever been.



(P.S. Check out The Wild Human Initiative
Also check out the eviromental and Intentional Communities forums on Hipforum's for some great discussions.)

 

I love your reference to "LOTR"...the story is completely analogous to the times in which we now find ourselves: from the truly epic to the utterly personal.

 

one of the key issues this brings up for me is our responsibility as a counterculture to function as a culture, learning from those who have gone before, finding our history, finding each other, and passing down what we know . . . . these links are a great start to helping our community come together and helping people learn to live more sustainably and selfsufficiently, thank you very much for posting them

 

Thanks for checking in guysIf anyone has links to more wisdom, or just more wisdom to impart on us please share.

Here is a site that is very inspiring with great links to info-

http://www.sacredlands.org/

Here is a facinating website that imagines how our future could be with beautiful inspiring art-

http://www.michaelgreenarts.com/pages/Afterculture.html

 

of a new society , the wisdom is with the little children .


the wisdom is organic .

 

the collective conscious prevails...



namaste

 

it makes a cob cottage round , warmer

 

cobcottage, you're my hero

 

I just found this thread.. thank you so much for these links!

A few that I'd like to add, regarding the gift economy:

www.freecycle.org (I'm sure this isn't new to anyone)
www.mozilla.org - free, open source web-browser
www.openoffice.org - free, open source word processing, spreadsheets, database, etc... think M$ Office, minus the evil.
www.gimp.org - free, open source, community-built image manipulation. Photoshop for the masses.

I truly believe that the free and open exchange of information on the internet will give underground movements a momentum that they did not have in the 60s. They will spread further and have longer-lasting effects.

There are groups of people working hard to bridge the digital divide and bring this powerful tool to those who need it most. Locally, Computer Mentors Group is doing wonderful things.

 

worldhealer said it best

artful dodger, you're completely right that the internet gives us a huge advantage over what could've happened in the 60s. It's what helped galvanize the enormous momentum that took over Seattle 5 years ago (through Indymedia.org, endless networking and forming of brand new alliances, etc). But even still, the web just serves primarily as a place to form initial meets and sporadic contacts, which obviously is essential. But that's only 50%. We have to begin meeting person to person, face to face, which in theory is possible...and take the movement to the next level. The times we live in couldn't possibly be more ripe for a progressive countercultural movement. We also don't know how much longer the internet will be safe for dissidents and those who seek radical change...no matter how violent or pacifist or anything in between.

Beware the next 4 years...

 

It's also a place where tons of useful information is stored and exchanged. For instance, you could buy a book on biodiesel. Or, you could visit a biodiesel discussion board, and read about hundreds of people's personal experiences with it, what worked for them, what tinkering they needed to do to make it work... etc.

These new societies that are being built... for the most part, it isn't a dissident thing, it isn't a protest. It's people having a non-violent revolution of minds, and moving onto the next step, leaving the consumeristic, corporate-driven model behind.

 

I feel as if we are quietly winning in many areas . Sure, there are those that have control of the forces that used to mandate reality, but these forces are made of glass, and they are breaking all over the place.

Here is an on-line gallery of a man who made his own house a work of art. It is almost endlessly full of pictures-

http://www.eliphante.org/

And here is a barterfair site that works-

http://www.barterfair.org/

AD-Those links you posted will be extreemly usefull to me, thank you I needed a free graphics program.

Does anyone know of such fairs in the northeast?


Edit(thanks jc, you my hero to)

 

artful dodger, that's absolutely right and very well spoken.
I left out the fact that the internet is a great informational storage system, a virtually limitless library/encyclopedia of sorts. But all that said, the important next step is for people of like mind to come together because working face to face is just more fruitful when human contact...seeing BODIES working toward revolutionary change is downright exciting as hell. When I said "dissidents", I simply mean people coming together in the spirit of revolutionary resistance and as architects of the new culture. You guys shoulda been to Quebec City back in early '01...the feeling of revolution was in the air east and west, north and south. I imagine the 60s felt a lot like that. I feel that same rush beginning to surge again...for the first time post-9-11. The inauguration should turn out to be a pretty big event!

www.counter-inaugural.org

 

a great site directly related to the topic of this thread: www.secession.net

 

Thanks guys. I started a blog just to consolidate links, I hope you don't mind if I used some of yours.. Please feel free to respond with more and ask for props if I posted a link you suggested

http://alterinfra.blogspot.com/

 

this thread is worth reviving

 

yeah it is, but unfortunately we don't have enough like-minded people anymore in the hipforums to actually plan a course of action on here. The hipforums, at best, serve as a "touching base" of sorts and then to move onto another format.

Look up the "Cascadia Collective" on www.google.com there should be lots of info about this Revolutionary process.