A Cure For Cancer

BTW Maggie, what classifies you as a HCP, what licience do you hold. Are you a nurse, did you go through 4 yrs training or what. When my Amy was in prenatal care her OBGYN told me to keep her on herbs. He told me the hrebs gave her more nutrition then what she was getting from her diet, as CF people have poor absorbtion and poor dijestion. The herbs I use with Amy (my daughter with CF) was in liquid form and was easily assimilated and absorbed by the body. She got great benefit from the liquid minerals esp. I don't want to get into it over the drugs verses natural thingy. I am too strong willed about it and will never ever be convinced other wise. Like I said before. I have lived it, both sides of it. I have seen it up close and personal. I have taken prescribed medication and almost died from it myself. I have let the doctors butcher me and fuckup my body, ohh on a missdiagnosis they mistook my broken neck for CTS and ruined my right arm/hand/neck. They almost killed me with their durgs that put 5 bleeding holes in my stomach, they gave me staph infection with the first surgery on my wrist and I almost lost my hand, but for the herbs and oils I was useing.
I will satnd on my honor in this matter till my death, which will surely come from a doctor and his 'cures'. Hundred of thousands of people are murderd every day with man made drugs. I say murderd because they know that they can be leathal to some people when injested. Like when Baycol killed my Mother, she was a firm believer in medicine and being a nurse herself believed in the docs she trusted them and they thanked her by murdering her. You want to hear terrifing. My daughter had to be rushed to the ER she was clogged and couldn't breath. The ER doc, at the hospital she had been going to since a child didn't read her chart and shot her up with a drug that was leathal when mixed with one of the drugs that she was on. Amy lay there in terror as the drug burnt her vien and caused sever burnning pain and chemical reaction in her body. She lay there pleading with them to stop the injection and the nurse just kept pumpping it in untill I protested and had to force her to stop pushing the serynge plunger as my daughter started going in to respitory failier she begged for me to help her. I held her and told the nurse to get the damn docot in here, she was reluctant. I got persausive and she told me to leave. That went over like a lead ballon. The doc came and I was removed by two security guards to a counciltation room.
My husband arrived and I asked him to check on Amy as they would not let me go to her, they siad I was upsettng her. I was what she wanted, I was what made her feal safe, she cried for me. I was losing it. I was fixen to kill a mother fucker. My hubby Lynn snunk in to see Amy behind the curtain and they were being rough with her and talking mean to her. She saw Lynn and screammed DADDY HELP ME and then they vented her.
He came back stark white and I thought she was dead. He told me what they were doing and I called the hospital rep and threatened to sue if they didnt let me go to my child, their excuse being she was 24 and an adult. I advised them as her health care provider I was to be informed of what was taking place and as her mother I demanded it. I was ready to get a gun and make someone do something. That was the mother in me as I'm not a violent person just opinionated. The Hospital rep got nervouse as she looked at Amy's chart and right there it was stated not to use Nubane with her current meds. Law Suit.. Amy was transfered to Cooks Childerens in Ft Worth that night by helicoptor and they told me there she would Not recover. I told them in no uncertian terms that they could not make that call, that it was up to Amy and Creator as to when her time would come.
I went out under the stars and made my plea to the Angels, I called to Raffael to heal my daughter. I prayed, chanted,went inside and pull out my most powerful prayer. I call the Sacred name and made my bargan.
That Christmas weekend of 99, there was a Circle Of Angels that appeared, that band of Angels circled the hospital radiating a light so bright it lit up the night. There were no deaths at Cooks Childrens that weekend. Amy came of the coma three days later. It took her around a month to get off the vent but she came home after two months in the ICU. Amy lived for 7 more months she nerver got her strenght back and died a peaceful death in my arms July 5, 2000. The point is that when Amy was diagnoised with CF they said she would not live past the age of three, I had her on herbs and natural foods since she was 2 she lived to be 25, she would have lived longer if the MEDS wouldn't have been injected into her.
This is not EASY for me to talk about but I wanted you all to know WHY i feel as strongly as I do about drugs vrs nature. When I say I have lived it, I mean what I say and say what I mean. I cannot express enough how bad these man made meds are for the human body. I can relate case after case after case of the deaths that are covered up by the gov and pharm. cos. ohh and lest not forget the media that people never know about. There are 58,0000 people killed by drugs every yr. there are 0% of natural eating that kills people. You figure it out for yourself. Herbs are FOOD.
SH

 

Its impressive to see someone believe in emotion rather than rational information.

These posts speak for themselves. . .

 

What credentials do you hold? What makes someone a "Natural Healthcare Provider"?

There is only ONE way to "clean" your colon naturally, defecation. Colonics and "detox cleansers" are far from natural. Your colon transports waste. Nature didn't intend for it to be clean. No benefit has ever been established from these treatments, and they often CAUSE harm.

 

I have a BS (four year degree) in Psychology and PreMed, I have a Graduate Degree in Developmental Psychology, (3 years) and I am a Board Certified, by the International Board Of Lactation Consultant Examiners, and Registered Lactation Consultant (3 years study AFTER my MS) by the IBLCE. I have to sit for Boards (an 6-8 hour exam) every 10 years (done that twice and scored in the top 5%) and recertify and register every 5 years with continuing education credits, in Nursing, Medical Terminology, Lactation, CPR, First Aid, Medical Managment of Lactation, Ethics in Medicine and Lactation and Lactation Specific Courses (75 credit hours every 5 years.)

I have been in practice for well over a decade.

What are your qualifications? But I refuse to attack you character. I don't know you or your motives. You are most likely a kind person who belives what she says, and does care about the people she treats. As am I.

Ad Hominen attacks and more singular anecdotes don't help your case. Neither are impressive. You may well beleive what you are saying, who you may have learned from, and I guess I can't blame you for that, but many people you learned from (like "Dr." Hulda Clark) most likely do not beleive it. They rely on "true beleiver" advocates to help make money for their causes, in most cases.

I believe you beleive what you are saying. It just isn't scientific. I am not going to insult you. I am not going to assume what relation you have with "nature" or tell you who or what you are "dishonoring" because I have no idea of that you would do such things. I just don't beleive the "parasite fad" and that ALL diseases are caused by them and that only certian "natrual practitioners" can detect them and cure them.

That isn''t what I said. I said they are not as common as you and the parasite fad claims. I mentioned Giardia and Vaginal Trichamonis as not all that uncommon, but easily treatable. I have also seen a couple of tapeworms during autopsies. Did you see that when I posted it? Or did you not read what I said and just ASSUMED what I would say?

You didn't answer MY question. Do you tell most of you "patients" that their "parasites don't show up on tests because they are in their "non reproductive resting state," but I know they are there, from your symptoms." That is all I need to hear. Because that is what MOST people who are told they have parasites, who never have then show up on regular medical tests are told by "natural practitioners."

ANd in closing, Unless you have diverticulitus or diverticulosis, your colon cleans itself.....by pooping. If not, these parasites would be seen every day in colonoscopies. And they simply aren't. Occasionally they are seen. Usually in very ill people who have been to nonWestern Countries.

I won't attack you. There is no reason to. There is a need for natural medicine, but not for quackery which prevents people from getting actually real treatment, supported by science and clincal trials, which works, a good part of the time. That is my main point.

I am sorry that your child died. That is a tragedy that no parent should ever have to live through. I can see that it wou,d generate anger.

Blessings to your healing heart.

 

I am sorry that happened to you. I have had prescription drugs save my life (after almost dying from "natural medicines") and also had surgical procedures save my life as well.

I had a client commit suicide (she was actually a phone client, not a paying client whom I met or treated) after blaming herself for the fact that her "Candida Poisoning" wouldn't go away, because she beleived she wasn't "strong enough" to stay on the Draconian diet her "Nutritionist Practitioner" put her on. (She had gotten a "degree" from the Clayton School and the patient's husband is still in court suing this "nutritionist.")

The medical opinion was this womyn suffered from BiPolar Disease and Post Partum Depression. IMO, and the opinion of many of her other HCPs meds could well have saved her life, and kept her baby from becoming a motherless child. BUT a single anecdote proves nothing.

 

There is nothing further I can say other than what has been said. I have my own views on things as you have yours, sience will never replace or repilcate nature as much as they may try. I can not change your way of thinking any more then you can change mine. But I did want to put a balance in with positive aspects of Natural Healing. I wonder how mankind survived before western medicine.
I am not here to bring war on doctors but I will defend what I believe in with all that I hold sacred. I take note when being called a quack or my Creator denighed. I can be no other way, it has always been so.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I never called you, personally a "quack" but did refer to the belief in parasites(by anyone) as the cause of all illness as "quackery." It is possible that you are no more beleiving a form of quackery than I am "dishonoring nature." In any part, we won't see eye to eye.

Good luck.

And health to those we try to help.

 

Thankyou to all the intelligent arguing in this thread...despite the different points of view and the different reservoirs of evidence I realy appreciate that you have all been reasonably respectful of each other!!

In relation to the quote I did above I just wanted to say that I thought that mankind did survive just fine before western medicine, we ourselves are living proof of that...however the popultion growth due to things such as extended life spans and the like definitely puts a new perspective on whether that is a good or bad thing for mankind...good for the individual but is it good for the human race as a whole interms of overpopulation pressures and the like...

anyhow as confusing as that might be to wonder about on a theoretical level I still figure on an individual level we tend to do what is best for our own survial.
okies...just a bit of a blab...thanks!!!

 

Well, in underdeveloped country, and in the past, the average lifespan was about 40 years (I'd be an elderly lady, but without antibiotics I would have died in childhood) and the infant mortality rate was around 50%. My own great grandmother lost 4 or 5 of her eight children. She spent her life heartbroken about her dead babies.

 

The use of anti-biotics is over kill these days. Most conditions docs prescribe anti-biotics for are allergies and not infections. They push pills because that is their job. Docs have no idea what these drugs do untill people start dropping dead. I am not against anti-biotics per se,' I just think they hand them out like candy for every sniffle or cough. Then when you do need them they don't work cuz the body builds up a resistance to them. When you do take them you need to replace the flora that they distroy and that's a scientific fact. There is a lot of scienctific facts that are related to herbs and nutrition. Ever hear the expression, You are what you eat. Herbs are nutrition, nutrients are what our bodies live on. What in the world would we do without nutrition. humm...DIE!!
I don't nor will I ever understand this line of thinking. No sciencetific evidence?? How about life itself. Is that not evedience enough. Good Grief even docs know you must have a balanced diet for optimal functioning. Herbs contain Vitamines, Minerals, Cells Salts, Anti-Oxcident,Amino Acids and other nutrients vital to the human body. They are FOOD!
And some call me brainwashed?!?!? These same herbs are in Ancient writings and the Bible. They were put here as our medicine. Pharmicuiticals are the EGOs attempt to out do nature, to gain meterial wealth and power over another.
We forget or never learned that the EGOs job is to distroy the body and the body was built to survive. When we are nutritionaly balanced our bodies rain supreme. Blessed Be
SH

 

I would also like to add as I read over this thread, My family is not an acntidote. They were loved and human beings and NOT things. Please do not reffer to them as such in the furure please. I used them as examples because I knew them personaly and up close and they are mine to speak about.
Futher more I talk with passion and conviction rather then emotion. Altho we are emotional creatures, but science would take that away from us as well and strip us of our humanaity and call it scientific fact.
What I live/lived is fact to me. What I know is fact. I have seen it, felt it and touched it for almost four decades. I don't debate over things I know nothing about. It's a choice that is made from what works and what does not. Plain and simple. No one thing is helpful to all except LOVE LOVE LOVE, ahhh but love is an emotion and science does not reconise emotion as fact, so IF we were to go with science would we then give up our LOVE as it can not be tested in a petri dish. Shall we put love and hope under a microscope and evaluate it in terms of science. If that were the case it would not exisist and we are all living a lie.
I have been on both side of the fence. I choose nature over synthetic any day. Medication may treat a symtom but it leaves the cause to keep doing the damage and in most cases cause other complications causing DEATH, that is coming out in the media attention , like in my Mother's case with Baycol an anti-cholesterol drug.
I know I'm 54 and I am not on any medications nor have I been since 96 for an injury and not a organic disease. I don't plan on taking any either. I am healthy, I have no heart disease or high blood pressure. I don't have diabetes or cancer.
I do have back pain and neck pain from injury and treat it with MSM, Glucosimin Sulfate, Condroint, and B vitamins. I am not on a low fat or low carb diet. I eat what I want and as much as I want. By scientific stantards I am fifteen pounds overweight, but at the rate science gave me I looked like I was sick and hollow cheeked. I did not like to be skinny, it's a sign of malnurishment and I felt weak and sluggish at that weight. I feel great at the weight I am. I am also very muscluar and muscle is heavier then fat. I do not want to lose muscle.
We are all going to die, I would rather go from old age then from a complication/side affect of a medication or proceedure. But Hey, that's just me.