A case for creationism.

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by geckopelli, Dec 4, 2004.

  1. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    The lack of scientific understanding is misconstrued by the faithful at every encounter.

    "indications of a supreme being" is a totally subjective statement.

    No super-intelligence is required to form the observable universe.

    Occam's Razor.
     
  2. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    An assumption that cannot be tested remains nothing but wild speculation.
     
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  4. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    When we talk about "Creationism" we are talking spefically about the christian theory of creation, correct? There must be more religious views of how we got here than just that one. Are any of these other views still entertained as viable theories?

    I think that the only reason creationism has stuck around so far is because of the multitude of people that participate in religions that support the theory. (If you can call it a theory...)
     
  5. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    Creationism is not a theory, because it cannot be investigated. It's a religious belief.

    As far as I've been able to ascertain, there exist no creation myth in any religion that takes billions of years and the existence of dinosaurs into account.
    So none of them can be viable.

    Creationism is still around because it is in the interest of organized religion (which is Big Buisiness) to maintain ignorance and obedience among it's victims. The history of the church is largely the history of trying to maintain the status quo.
     
  6. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Sorry about that. My 10 years in a baptist school has gotten me into the habit of calling creationism a theory. My brain is aware of the difference, my vocabulary just doesn't reflect it...

    But what I was trying to point out is that if the world is going to consider creationism as a viable possibility of our coming into existance than we also need to equally include any other religious theories as possibilities. And once you do that the whole thing just gets silly....
     
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    matthew Almost sexy

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    I make myself laugh sometimes hahahahahaha . not sure what you found funny but if it made you laugh
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    aint that the truth .

    Another theory
     
  8. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    If I was going to pitch a case for creationism, I'd start at the begining with the big-bang, not 15 billion years into the game when the Earth came along.
     
  9. POPthree13

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    Sure Gecko, but you are assuming a story of the beginning of the earth/universe must be accurate to be true. The Big Bang itself is a theory and those two word do little to 'accurately' describe the beginnings of the universe. Prerhaps 'let there be light' meant the same thing to Jewsih astrologers as 'Big Bang' does to you.


    In any account accuracy - in the most pure sense of the word - is completely impossible. So ANY creationist/evolutionary story we recount will be only a best-guess. Perhaps 'let the waters bring forth life' isn't any less true than 'fish grew legs'. Both are equally inaccurate representations of what happened, but both are (more or less) true.

    My only complaint with a creationsists perspective is when it can not accomodate evolution. Evolution happened / is happening, period. What got it started, or why it continues will not be 'accurately' explained until we transcend our physical reality - or not.
     
  10. thumontico

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    The main dispute has never been the samantics of the association between evolutionary theory and possible connections of relevance with the Bible. In any case creationists are claiming a God created us.

    Basically, if one would accept Biblical relevance to evolutionism, you have one theory that gets right to the heart of the matter and another one that masks actuality in metaphoric language [to an illogical end].

    I agree with Gecko, as I have said the same thing, if the religious want to maintain any sort of dominance in the upcoming generations they will have to deal with evolution as a given. To overcome this they will have to start saying that the 'Big Bang' was by process of God. Creationism was all well and good [and necessarily a possibility, through conformist thought] until Darwin came along. But you must adapt! I urge you to create another inconcievable creationist theory (it is your only means of long-term survival, mind you). God created the Big Bang, of course, how else could it have happened? Word on the street is that there isn't enough matter in the universe for it to be so massive that it converges on itself therefore presupposing that that wasn't the cause of singularity. In any case, lack of knowledge does not imply a necessity for God.
     
  11. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    it dont matter, just be good.


    God created the whole thing, following a specific set of formulae and laws.
    we are all correct.
     

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