84 acre commune looking for people!!!

Warning !!! Warning !!! Warning !!!!

SCAM ALERT --- SCAM ALERT -- SCAM ALERT -- SCAM ALERT - SCAM ALERT ---

Stay the heck away from the FAKE “84 acre commune” !!! - Don’t say you weren’t warned !!!

The whole “84 acre commune” pitch is a total, complete, utter SCAM !!! The farm is a FAKE COMMUNE.

Don’t say you weren’t warned !!! Don’t say you weren’t warned !!! Don’t say you weren’t warned !!!
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For those of you thinking about maybe checking out the “84 acre commune” - read this with great care ... BEFORE you go to check this place out !!!!!

This is written in response to the long rant just posted here blasting the other recent critical posts by me and other victims of this total scam , me and others who are sharing our slice of the story, and the recent rant pushed back ... claiming that we are the screwed up ones, and , actually, everything out there is OK, everything out there is pretty cool, they just need some really cool people (like you...) to show up. Don’t buy that crap !!!

The whole thing is a total marketing scam. IT’s NOT a “cool commune”. Nothing could be further from reality.

It’s NOT a “cool little working farm” - It never was a commune, it’s not a commune right now, it’s NEVER going to be a “cool commune” at any point in the future. The whole thing is a damn street hustle.

The ranter from the long recent rant - claims that we have it all wrong, and we are just a bunch of lazy , ingrates for having the stones do to dare say a word about that place. that it’s just a hard small farm type of life, and how we are just the ungrateful , lazy losers, a bunch of spoiled ingrates, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda . That’s utter baloney...That’s just outright BS...

Don ‘t believe John’s damage control baloney . Don’t believe Sandra S.’s damage control baloney. It’s all damage control and revisionist history.

. These folks posting these recent complaints are the real whistleblowers, all of them, including me - and what they are sharing with you is pretty accurate info. I knew them. The others, those defending this half-assed joke of a “commune” are dead wrong, and just doing what they can in the name of damage control.

The small crew I got to know there a Bella Lea Acres ( or as we re-named it, Belly Acres) was a pretty decent crew.

AJ - the hippie PAGAN from NJ was a really decent guy in every manner - he was the first to get totally fucked over there -

Me - Chainsaw Charley - I got fucked over in every possible manner when I was there, and at the end was actually assaulted by both the little child-molesting lesbian god-hater and the SS woman herself, who assaulted me with a baseball bat. ( Yes, I did call the smug, nasty little lesbian child-molester a scumbag , yes i did, but there ya go, I got tired of her smug, nasty, uncouth manner) Sandra S. The SS woman, wasn’t at all ready for me, or folks like me.

I told the SS Woman an number of times that I was in fact, the most motivated person to show up, hoping to make her little dream work, and she pissed on me, and actually laughed in my face, in public, on a regular basis in return. I can’t imagine how many times I tried to talk to her, only to find myself talking to the side of her head. She told me, on a regular basis, that she was “too busy” to talk.

Now, admittedly, i’m not the smartest guy on the block. I have only THREE (3, COUNT ‘EM ) University degrees, 2 BS degrees ( BS Computer Science, *78 , BS Journalism , *79 - The University Of Illinois, and a MS, IT Management, The George Washington University *83 ) So I’m not pretending to be a know-it all. But I do know when I’m talking to smart people, and I think I know when I’m talking to people who think their smart, but who, are, in fact, morons whit no real critical thinking skills.

Also, yes, I had a small amount of small farming skills, and yes was out there looking to live a simple life .

Mike ( BIG MIKE) The really creative guy who came up with the “cool commune” idea in the first place. IT wasn’t Sandra S.’s brilliant idea. She isn’t bright enough have a clue of a really good idea.

John - the convicted thief who was running form his demons - He was a good enough worker, but totally full of shit and a two-faced lier in every regard.

ANDY - A great young guy - former US Marine - good worker , his girlfriend Hailey - real sweet nice girl -

ROYAl ( AKA Fritz) - a decent guy with a very high level of knowledge and insight and ideas, who was way too far ahead of the mediocre midgets surrounding him. I have worked with guys like him all my life , we understood each other pretty well. The only one bad thing about him was that he did spread himself a bit too thin , working on a few too many projects, some of which had little real payoff. Other than that, he did in fact have his feet on the ground most of the time. An ego, yes, but it was just like mine, he had earned the ego through many years of demonstrated excellence and leadership.


TEDDY - an incredibly foul, truly disgusting, fat, psychotic woman who pissed everybody off after a while. She’s also the nut-job who fired a pistol over my head. ( And then the SS woman tried to hush it up and pretend it didn’t happen) Teddy , apparently, had been homeless for many years, living “down by the river” (don’t laugh) who did not play well with the other kiddies.

John the pretend gold-miner and prime shit thrower lately in this on-line food-fight and pissing contest - A decent guy at first, now caught in a stupid situation and doing rear-guard action and damage control.

John, The little dwarf who is writing these long recent rant, (that would be John, the female-free, frustrated, incompetent, fake gold-miner dude, ) - let’s just call him turd-boy, or maybe even the babbling dwarf, i dunno, take your pick, both seem just about right to me. He has a lot of nerve to get into this, and I for one, won’t put up with it for a single nanosecond. If turd-boy wants to get into a very public pissing contest with me and the others, well, that’s fine with me. I, for one, strongly suggest that he leave well enough alone, and think twice before shooting his mouth off about this issue.

Sandra S. The SS Woman - Finally we get to the SS woman herself , Sandra S was. and is, a smiling dog if there ever was one. Time after time I witnessed her make cheap shot after cheap shot at people’s backs right as they were walking away from us. A two-faced smiling dog if there ever was one. Sandra S is utterly incompetent, to the point where sh’s not really interested in anybody’s opinions about anything really. Don’t trust a word she has to say. A manager, she’s NOT, a decent farmer, she’s NOT a good trustable friend, she’s NOT . The “half-million $$$” she brags about wasn’t hers in the first place. All she did, apparently, was get a decent divorce settlement and then piss it away in a badly planned and badly managed plan to create her foul little farm.

The whole “Beautiful 84 acer commune” pitch is totally misleading, a total fraud, really only designed to reel in some warm bodies to do some work for free, or real cheap, and is a total daydream marketing ploy, run by a totally incompetent female (Sandra S ) hereinafter more properly referred to as the "SS woman’ . There is also a very revealing back story that needs to be told, explained here shortly ...

This is only one person’s real-life story about this scam, but I’ll share with you what i did see there, and try to show you all why you should just stay the heck away from it.

Like I said before, read this with care, and if you are still stupid enough to ignore these warning by me and the others, well, you deserve what you get there, go ahead and still go there, but DONT SAY YOU WERENT WARNED !!!

I agree with the other recent posts by Frtiz, and John S. (letting go), and AJ (spiritwind?) and others. I knew these folks, and for the most part, they were decent people.

Note - this posting goes into some detail, so please hang in there and try to follow this personal account of how NOT to lead a small crew of motivated individuals, its the best way for me to share with you what i did in fact see and experience out there at the outright freakin’ SCAM and FAKE “commune”


---- Sandra S, ( the SS woman) is the two-faced, manipulative , gossipy , burned-out old hippy lady behind the fake commune , who apparently has spent many, many days and nights stoned out of her mind and probably drunk out of her mind. She’s the intensely insecure, ball-cutting, man-hater who started this thread in the hopes of luring suckers to her incredibly f*ucked-up little sorry, bankrupt excuse for a farm, in the hopes of getting some cheap or free labor, using the highly misleading come-on that’s its a “really cool commune”. It’s all 100 % PURE, UNADULTERATED COW SHIT.


--- There was never any original plan to create a “commune” at all ... it was a marketing scam back then and it still is now - here’s the real back story of how the “commune” came to be...

This is the REAL story behind the FAKE COMMUNE. I only heard the real story many months after I left that place, when the actual originator of the “commune” idea told me the story.

( --- Big Mike - ) The real originator of the “commune” sales pitch, is a local guy who would drop by every now and then with a few bales of hay to feed the starving donkeys and the starving 100-yr old horse... -

The real story right out of Big Mike’s lips - “Big Mike” knew the SS woman for some years. He did not live right there on the farm, he lived a few miles away, he would drop by to visit her and the farm animals, an old horse, 2 ornery but very lovable donkeys, a bunch of chickens and turkeys, and a couple of Asian Pigs. Normal farm animals. But often hungry.

Mike went out to her little farm every now and then to check things out, and to bring some extra bales of hay and other food for the hungry animals, mostly because the SS woman was always close to being totally broke all the time, and the animals went hungry on a regular basis .

Big Mike told me about the real beginnings of the “84 acre commune idea” - it was actually his idea, which he shared with the SS woman, with some other ideas on how to get stuff done, and most of all, how to attract some cheap and/or free workers .

She - the SS woman - had been apparently been living out there on this small farm all by herself for some time, 2 years i think it was, while she was having contractors build her new “dream cabin’ ( the new house) - In one form or another, she had been living in a tent, and then the smaller shack, next to the big old farm house, for about 2 years I heard tell. The SS woman had shared with him that she was getting pretty hard up for some farm help, any kind of help really, to get some things done there.

Big Mike, thought this over and suggested to her to try and attract some people on the internet, suggesting to her to pitch the farm on different websites, like IC.org and Hip Forums as well, I imagine, as a commune of sorts, you know, get some folks out there, trade room and board for a landing spot on the small farm.


The SS woman never had that idea in the first place, she never had some “grand vision” to start some happy, egalitarian, group , where all the happy hippies could sit around, after a happy day’s work living the simple farm life, happy and carefree, then sit in a happy circle around the campfire at night and chant or meditate on their navels and that sort of idealistic pie-in-the-sky, peace-and-love and good vibes hippy nonsense.

The SS woman did not,and does not now, and will not, in the future have the mindset, the insight, or the brains to “lead” a commune or other small group of people. A leader she ISNT. The SS woman doesn’t have what it takes to run a damned lemonade stand. That became obvious to me after a few months, the hard way.

Note- boys and girls, that I have done many, many performance reviews and fitness reports for the many, many folks who have worked for me over the past 30 yrs, and i’m using some very specific evaluation criteria here in making these comments.

The SS woman is exactly the wrong type of person to lead any small group. It’s just not in her. Some people are born leaders and some aren’t. It’s just that simple. In fact, the SS woman proved to be just the opposite of the kind of person who should find themselves the leader of a small group of folks for any purpose.
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The SS woman, owner of the place , the narrow-minded , highly-repressed , highly-frustrated old hippe burn-out lady posting these posts about the “beautiful 84 acre commune “ wasn’t a total, complete, world-class ass-wipe all the time, to be fair, she was a total, complete, world-class ass-wipe only about 2/3 of the time.

There were, to be fair, a few decent moments when she acted in a decent manner. But those were rare. It took me a few months to really see the real Sandra S. ( yes, boys and girls, the SS woman) - and I’d have to say she was one person in total and denial of her obvious many insecurities. She’s carrying around a huge load of emotional baggage, that’s for sure.

I was getting pretty tired, pretty quickly, of trying to talk to her, only to have her tell me “ Make it quick, i’m in a hurry” , and then I ended up talking to the side of her head most of the time. I can’t imagine how many times I tried to talk to her, only to have her really not listen to me, and then be talking to the back of her head. Pretty revealing.

After that happened maybe a dozen times, I then began to start flipping her the finger to her back as she was walking away from me.

I for one, found her to be a total gossipy little, unappreciative little troll, who instantly started gossiping about everybody, the moment they turned their back and walked a way from her. Many, I would be standing there , with 3-4 folks there talking, and as one would walk away, she would instantly start make cheap shots at them as they walked away.

After I saw this backstabbing a few times, i really started to take note if that. She was and is, totally 2-faced in every respect. She had a very cavalier attitude towards most ALL of the folks there, that’s for sure. God knows what cheap shots she was making at me behind my back.

She kind of remind me of the little asshole manager you’d end up working for at the Walmart - the one you really couldn’t stand, but just put up with here because they made you work for her. It seemed to me that she did not have the faintest idea of how to properly lead from the front in a fair and reasonable manner.

It was an odd, and unfortunate interplay of bad social interactions that was the really bad part of the whole scene. And that was due to the half-assed, lousy plan and lack of real leadership in the first place.

It wasn’t the “hard work” at all, as the dwarf John the female-free failed incompetent , FAKE miner claims. He came into this bad scene much, much later and is totally clueless about the real bad vibes that were at the heart of the real problems.

We had really lousy vibes there, and really bad moral right off the bat.

The real problem wasn’t the crew not working.

The real problem was the underlying bad plan to begin with, or more accurately, the total lack of a real community plan, the lack of real ability of the SS woman to deal in an effective manner with even a small group. her group leadership and HR, problem resolution skills were like junior-high school level.



3. My own time out there learning about the total, misleading, SCAM the hard way...

I went out there in mid-summer about 2 summers ago, and was there for about 5-6 months or so, late summer, fall, all the winter, and part of the spring. The whole effort was a total waste of time, here’s why ..

I responded to the pretty cool, but totally misleading ad posted on the IC.org web site . The “beautiful 84 acres “ pitch seemed pretty good, so I looked into it. I drove out there from big city environment in Arlington, Va, where I have been living for 30 years

Full disclosure: My reason for being there is I have become a “prepper” of sorts, over the past few years, and I’m personally convinced that our economy and society is slowly crumbling all around us, and I wanted to get the heck out of the big city, and head for the hills. I might be wrong about this economic and social collapse stuff, and I hope I am. We’ll all see.

To be fair, the actual farm site really is beautiful. Very much so. It’s in the foothills of the Blue Ridge chain, surrounded by other small farms, a bunch of AMISH farms, real Amish folks driving around in horse buggies, all of that.

For the first month out there, I met a few other folks, besides the SS woman ;

1st there was AJ, a decent hippy dude with long hippy hair. The SS woman fucked over AJ in every possible manner. He did not deserve all the horse shit she shoveled at him. He got fucked over really bad.

AJ was the 1st guy I saw the SS woman fuck over in a very big way.

To make a long story short, within a few weeks of getting there, she was already on his case, for what I though was some really petty, teenage shit, and she was threatening him with calling the cops on him and having him escorted off “her property” ... I saw the whole thing, and can say without a doubt poor AJ did not deserve any of the shit she threw at him, right off the bat. He put a lot of time and effort to get down there from NJ , he brought a whole truckload of stuff, his personal stuff, and a lot of stuff for “the community”

Apparently, he was being smeared for allegedly spreading a rumor at the local store that the group up here on the farm was a total bunch of “pagans and Satanist” and such nonsense.

It turns out that it wasn’t him after all, just like he said, it was little “Helen”, the daughter of the former owner Dorothy, who had real mental problems, who was really spreading rumors about our group on the farm, and others apparently. But he got stuck with it, sorry to say.

So it turns out that poor AJ was kicked out of the little shed he had been living in for only a few months apparently, and was forced to live out in the woods in a tent for about a month until he could figure something out. She didn’t cut him any slack at all, and she kicked him out of the little shed, and he was forced to live out in the woods in a tent for about a month before he moved off-site. And he was stuck leaving a whole truckload of his personal stuff there in the old house, which, also was apparently all torn apart and looted pretty bad, from what i’ve heard.

And then there was “Teddy” and her boyfriend, Kevin. “teddy” , it turns out, was an incredibly ugly, fat, disgusting cow, who really was completely psychotic, taking prescribed “happy pills” , and as i said at other points, had apparently been actually living in a tent in the woods for years before the SS woman “took her in “ to “save her”


and then there was John S. ( “letting go" on H.F. ) . John S. was anther clinically- diagnosed Manic /depressive who was really just looking for a safe landing spot, and was , it seemed to me, trying to run from his own personal demons, after, apparently spending a number of years in a jail cell after being convicted for stealing money from a number of people in some sort of rip-off scheme.

I was to learn that all 3 of these folks were formally diagnosed as being manic/ depressives , (AJ and John S.) while I was to learn that “teddy” was a total hard-core psychotic of some sort, taking a big handful of “happy pills" every day. all were getting SSI disability payments. This was to become a big issue pretty quick.

Another big part of the fraudulent, misleading scam

During my first few “honeymoon” weeks there, the SS woman showed me around and , among other things, told me she was also interested in helping out those “poor homeless women” who might be living in cars “down by the river” and such. It tuned out that the fat, disgusting, psycho-cow Teddy was, in fact, the very first of the “poor homeless women” the SS woman had “saved” from living in a tent for years “down by the river” ... that would become a very big issue pretty quick, sorry to say.



So there I am, at the “beautiful 84 acre commune” doing my little bits to help out, feeding the chickens and donkeys, starting to work in the 2 gardens, etc. It was totally easy work, no sweat.

Within a week or so, the fat, disgusting cow Teddy was already busting my balls every chance she could get. Who knows what her issue with me was, I don’t know, I don’t care, but every time I had the misfortune to be around her, she always was busting my balls for no reason.

I suppose she was typical of those smug, spoiled-brat females Ive met in my life . In retrospect, I see now I should have just punched her in the face a few times, and knocked half of her teeth out right off the bat, to teach her some freakin manners, and to knock it off, but you know, society and all, it frowns on guys rightfully punching the spoiled-brat chicks when they often deserve it. So I suppose that emboldened her, and she pretty much thought she was getting away with it, si it got worse over the first few months, I did my best to totally avoid her.

- The day “teddy” had a major pshycho-meltdown and fired her little pistol wildy about, sending a bullet over my head. -

During the 2nd month I was there , I was out in one of the gardens, doing some tilling for most of the day, about 400 yards away or so, (the big garden ) and all day long . I heard “teddy” ranting and raving and laughing hysterically for like most of the afternoon. I didn’t think much of it, since she did that a lot, mostly all night long during her drunken binges over by her big tent. But this was different, and after a few hours I heard a gunshot, and a bullet went zipping over my head, but maybe 100‘ away. hmmmmm....

Later I was to find out that “teddy” had a total hysterical meltdown , which she apparently has when she doesn’t take her “happy pills” .. frankly I wasn’t happy about that at all - so the next day I had a long chat with the SS woman - I let the SS woman know, in no uncertain terms, that I was going to have a half-dozen cops cars drive up and take the nut-case away in hand cuffs and sent to the local looney bin for observation.

More or less, that is when I told her that the whole sales pitch for her little farm was false and deceptive advertising, since she totally omitted the part about bringing “poor homeless women" in the postings. It clearly was the sin of ommission. She never told me about any of that before I came out here.

And I also told here that she had no right of any sort to be bringing crazy homeless women in to the farm, and letting them run loose with guns, firing them over others heads. think about that.... I let her know that as far as I was concerned, I had every right to complain about this psychotic woman even being there on the “commune”, since , for starters, she was freaking psychotic, for starters, and she was putting everybody else’s life in jepordy.






Here's some parts of the rant ... go ahead and read the rest of it in an earlier post. This was written by John the incompetent, fake gold miner -


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All you turd heads hammering on Sam & the farm, dig this:
I know all fucking about you, because I *helped* some of you not only *get* there, I fed your lazy fucking asses & bought your fucking drinks while you basically shit on a great opportunity to actually *build* something, instead of jerking off to your delusional assessments of your own greatness.

Two questions, and then some facts, assholes (and yes, if you can't deal with it, stay the fuck away, because we are ****tired**** or the bullshit artists & weak-willed flakes from this forum that keep trying to populate a subsistance farm in the hopes of a free ride filled with butterflies & fucking rainbows..)



Here’s a small part of this dwarf’s rant, this part of the rant that concerned me, I suppose, it’s all sour grapes and total BS.. Hey John boy..., you fucking dwarf ... go fuck yourself right back.... !!!
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Here’s the part about me
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“ Charley poo???

you know.. you used to talk about killing people & shooting them, & about putting up fucking sniper points for when armageddon comes..

someone disagrees with you about the existence of God, so you hate them??

good fucking riddance.

yeah, you thought i was a nice guy, etc., & i was willing to let things remain non-judgmental, because yes, jessica is a hate filled bitch ALSO talks about how much other people should be punished because they don't agree with her, but you know what?

you opened your fucking 60 year old mouth bitching about a 19 year old, because.. OMG.. she says she hates god!!!!

every single one of you shits were too self-centered to really come together to make the place work..

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(Me again)

This is all total damage control, on the part of the incompetent fake gold-miner John. It’s all sour grapes .. I personally don’t HATE anybody, for any reason.

But yes, I do indeed have a major problem when I’m forced to sit at a dinner table and listen to a young, smug, child-molesting lesbian ditty-bopper scream out “FUCK GOD” when asked to lead a dinner prayer. I was speechless, and even worse, not a single person around that dinner table said a single word in reply. ?????



This was from John S. -- This was totally on-target and correct ....
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I would imagine this is a dead thread. As a start up community the design was for
failure there are buildings and resources but the concept is flawed
Plant gardens to earn but nothing to eat wait what. OK that aside if
Even looking at it as just a farm 15 hours a week of work if you're 25 people
Deep is OK but if your 6 or so not so good. The land owner is a neat lady
With lots of stories of the 60&70s but that's about thelimit.

It was a place Of stress and constant friction. I spent thebetter part of a year there
Less a 3 month stay in Texas (Ugg in jail ofcourse) returning to a place that
Was not what I had left new people had shown up ( good thong right) not so
Much. Good people for sure but the place had devidedin to two camps.

At that point I couldn't get out quick enough even if that ment going back to
Main streaming off I went to nationals in Washington and have found myself in Oregon at a)
Great place full of love and light where we work for eachother not ourselves.
So in closing if community living is what u really want as nice as everyone tried to
Be this place misses the mark by a long shot keep looking. Be well all
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The SS Woman - Sandra S. treated me and most everybody else like shit for most of the time. Period.

I could go on and on and on, but i will stop here. I hope you all get the point.

DO NOT - DO NOT - DO NOT -

Do not fall for this “pretty 84 acre hippie commune farm” crap - it’s all a total misleading scam and you WILL be sorry if you fall for it !!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!

THE REAL CHAINSAW CHARLEY

 

we had to call the *cops* to deal with you chuck.

you, like others who bitch on this thread about how bad it was, stayed oddly enough, until the very day we had to boot your asses out..

such is life..

if paying attention to your posts keeps more people out who pulled the same shit, then hell yes, folks, everything he says is true.

have a great life, otherwise..

peace

 

You're a f*cking brainless, cluless moron, whomever this is.

Everything said by your current little group is total damage control, total utter bullsh*t.

You're also a F*cking liar as well. Nobody call the cops on me.... I called the cops on the SS woman when she assaulted me.

Sandra S. owes me a big apology.
She owes AJ a big apology,
She owes Roy a big apology.
She owes Andy and Kayle a big apology.
She owes Jogn the gold miner a big apology.
She owes Kevin and the utterly disgusting fat cow Teddy a big apology.

And it will never happen. Like many, i've met thousand of folks in my life, most pretty decent folks, but also a few dozens, hundreds of real jerks. Such is the case with Sandra S, the SS woman,

Sandra S, is a devious, two-faced, utterly incompetent, petty land owner, who treated me and most of the others in a devious, two-faced manner. Her cavalier attitude towards us all was obvious after a while.

Sandra S. could not critically think her way out of a wet paper bag. her personnel skills are pathetic. Her small farming skills are pathetic.

If all she wanted was to hire a couple of illegal aliens to do some of the dirty work, that's what she should have done in the first f*cking place.

I repeat, Belly Acres is NOT a "happy hippie commune" - It's a total and complete cluster-fuck. It's a figment of a devious, duplicitous, vindictive aging burnt-out hippy who tries to lure victims to her little spider lair so she can suck the life out of them

F*ck You very much.

By all rights, she should be sitting in a jail cell for falsely luring innocent victims out to her cluster -fuck of a joke of a "small beautiful farm" and then treating them like shit.

You all have a lot of f*cking nerve. F*ck you one. F*ck you all.

F*ck you for how you fucked over AJ
F*ck you for how you fucked ME over
F*ck you for how you fucked Roy over
F*ck you for how you fucked John the Miner Over (yes, one day, John)
F*ck you for having the nerve to say WE were the guilty party

F*ck you very very much, you have a lot of F*cking nerve.

BTW, did I mention ? F*CK YOU !!!

 

If this is John or Sandra S. -

You're a F*cking liar.

You have a lot of f*cking nerve.

You're so full of bullsh*t that it's a wonder your eyes aren't brown

Did I mention your a F*cking Liar?

You owe ME a BIG APOLOGY
You owe AJ a BIG APOLOGY
You owe ANDY and KAYLE a BIG APOLOGY
You owe ROY a BIG APOLOGY
You even owe KEVIN and the disgusting psycho cow Teddy a BIG APOLOGY
You owe John the convicted thief a BIG APOLOGY

You have a lot of f*cking nerve.

All you're doing is PROVING you're not too f*cking bright by continuing to have this very public pissing contest with me and the rest of the whistleblowers here.

Keep it up !! We can do this all day long, it would only show new folks what a cluster fuck the SS woman created !!!

A disinterested observer reading this very public pissing contest would rightly conclude that you folks would want to just drop it and leave well enough alone....

but go ahead an continue to make your very lame rear-guard defense, your lame mud-slinging !!

Go right ahead, we can do this forever !!!

Did I already mention you have a lot of f*cking nerve?

Did I mention your a F*cking Liar?

You owe ME a BIG APOLOGY
You owe AJ a BIG APOLOGY
You owe ANDY and KAYLE a BIG APOLOGY
You owe ROY a BIG APOLOGY
You even owe KEVIN and the disgusting psycho cow Teddy a BIG APOLOGY
You owe John the convicted thief a BIG APOLOGY


THE REAL CHAINSAW CHARLEY

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Man, what a thread! I think I'm just going to avoid this commune all together.

 

if people like them were around, i would, too.

 

:coffee: I've sure learned something from reading this and that is..... what NOT to say or do. eace:

:leaving:

 

Me too. I got PTSD just reading this.

 

What i get from this is EVERY community has issues.. with leadership.. with recruitment.. new folk old folk. what people dont get is were all just people. everyones flawed and no o.es perfect ...so why make a deal of drama? its going to happen where ever you go... this is a good example of reality... dont expect perfection.. expect flawed people..and do your best to make things better. if you CAN...forgive... If youve got issues... let them go... john. i think alot of bad stuff about your actions and your internet typi.gs..when in reality you dont speak up.. i get that your a coward.. its who you are..its ok.. chainsaw.. you sound intellegent.. brilliant even. you as much as john need to move on and take only the good memories... ive had lots of people bad mouth my tribe...but later thank me for the experience... sounds like you got an adventurr and you learned something... not all bad then eh? john... i truly hope you find peace with yourself. and i wish you all blessi.gs... sandra... no... im not to young... i got that were all trying to live... all tryi.g to be better people.. lets accept our faults and move fwd

 

This drama is kinda turning me off of considering this place.

 

Stay in Irvine
way better

 

So... yes..
maybe i am a coward...

with a little luck, i may be in sudan, soon.. no kidding.

waiting 20 months for west african deployment to occur, and doing my damndest to facilitate it...

funny.. i am so, so fortunate, because my friend andy gave me a kevlar vest, and it was such an absolute blessing, and one of the best presents i've actually ever been given...

funny thing is though, and i have to laugh, here, is that i am, for all practical purposes, a pacifist.

drew, you really should stand down.

you are going to continue to provoke (please note that my diatribes occur only after there is some kind of personal assault on the farm or myself. & yes, if i were a better man, *i* would shut up & stand down, but...

well.. actually.. i guess i am.. i really don't have a lot more to say, from here on in.)

if you are going to continue to provoke, then be prepared for response..

you can assert all you want that you are going to sue me or whatever other action you like to take.

you were pissed at, as far as i know, the one private message i sent in response to *one sent to me* regarding travel to see you.

a private message.

*you* have escalated this to a public forum, not i, and i advise you to stand down, because if you do not, all of this will escalate to my posting a private email composed at almost exactly the same time as i *fled* (coward that i am) having anything more to do with (ha. ha. what a strange, strange laugh..) highwaychild tribe..

2 & 1/2 years ago, friend.

now.. i admit, when you beghan, you may have been intent on acomplishing something holy, and this is why i gravitated towards you to begin with...

Faith.

& fucking hope

& fucking love...


if you *really* want me to paste what has gone down between then & now, then please, merely say it.

you need to stop being defensive & recognize that despite how severely things are fucked up in life, that ultimately no matter how much we deny, pray, whine, attack, deceive or hate or hope, they are *not* going to wind up the way we want, and it is the failure to face that reality which make makes them worse, as we progress...

i will wax hippie-mythos, just barely, for a moment, & tell you to recall the fates of those whom denied the oracles...

look at what has happened and what you have done.

i personally have not held you overly accountable, because i tend to believe you have been victimized by your fate.

i only excuse you from what you have done to me because i understand that i personally am not very important in the scope of things, but if you continue to entice or proclaim without full disclosure to those whom you ask to become involved, then i have no choice but to warn them when they communicate with me *privately* and directly.

i am not involved in your life, drew, nor do i have any desire to be.

i fled you in 2010, and i fled you again a year or so later.

if you *want* me involved, then you are free to open up that possibility, because i have only *one* more thing to say, and after that your fate is your own making.

you told me to "stay out of [your]world", so you should reciprocate upon whatever wisdom it is you have available to you.

i do not blame you.

i only have sorrow for you.

if you can gather what it is that it takes to practice in reality the compassion that you dream of, then you will have those hands open to you that you once knew, when you were strong in what you had hoped for.

just because we are strong in one area does not give us the right to judge others whom are weak, therein, and demand from them that they conform to our own performance where we are gifted.

that is worse than totalitarian.

it is vanity, seeking it's own validation by placing difficulties upon others whom we should not expect to even succeed, where we have excelled.

when we do that, we only show how petty & weak (& ultimately dangerous) we actually are.

you make your choices.

i am done here with responding to any more idiocy and nonsense, except in absolutely definitive terms.

& there ain't a lot of them.

there was a lot bad shit that went down on the farm that has nothing to do with you.

Sam tried to run a hybrid between a rescue mission and a functioning intentional community, and unfortunately, that shade of grey simply does not exist in the colors required to define it.

people whom need to be rescued need help, not the opportunity to sink or swim, even if that is the very best a person has to offer.

but.. if this is where you want to pick a fight with me, drew, then pick.

i offered you all i possibly could, coward that i am... not just once, but twice..


so please, pick away, if that is what you really, truly want...


all peace & all love,


john

 

tl;dr

 

not intended for those deficient in attention.

yet you watch this thread.

is your reply what we call the hypocrisy of the superficial?

22 with... 6,100 post on this forum alone..

you should visit the farm & get your hands dirty, son...

 

tl;dr

 

obviously attention deficient..

sorry to mistake your disability as a somewhat useless attempt at satire...

i'll try to stick to 1 letter words next time we talk, 'k?

my apologies.

 

or maybe emoticons..