2nd amendment supporters

How is it propaganda if it is true? In fact, these seem to be little known facts. People don't seem to realize these things. Maybe because it isn't advertized all over the news.

The major problem with using guns in self defense is that often the attack is premeditated. People who are being attacked are always at a disadvantage because they don't know they are being attacked. The attackers usually DO know.

 

I'm not screaming. Allow me to answer your question with a question; Is ANY death desirable? Of course not! But you advocate government violence to impose their will on peaceful people, which is no better than Adam Lanza himself. The government creates more death and misery than all the guns in this world + Al Qaeda- So your Liberal dribble is nothing new to me, but you endorse more violence than you claim to oppose

 

its propaganda because its not true, they are twisted facts. Why do you refuse to believe the facts that chicago and new york have the highest gun crime rates and california

 

"Screaming" in that context was used figuratively, not literally, just so you know.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. What I'm trying to say is that I have no problem with stricter gun laws and there is a lot of misinformation about guns floating around out there.

I wouldn't say that countries with strict gun laws are all "controlled by the government."

Take Australia for an example. That is a down to earth, civilized, free society. Consequently a peaceful one too.

When you say that the government creates more misery than all of the guns in this world I'm not sure how this is connecting to our discussion. Maybe it makes sense in your head but you will need to explain a little better to get other people to see what you are saying. We don't have the same background info as you do.

 

Look, you can say they are twisted but I see no proof that they are twisted. I never said I refused to believe that NY and Chicago had the highest gun crime rates but you two aren't citing your sources and I get the impression that you are merely echoing media hype, not actually doing your own thinking or research.

 

Because you believe more government and, less guns is the answer. That's not right- our government is based off of war and violence. And if you believe it's okay for Armed cops to kick in my door and physically take my gun, than you support the system to a whole new extent. Furthermore, may I ask why it's okay for military and police to have guns, but not peaceful individuals excersizing their rights?

Do you believe in the US Constitution? You know, that old document that was meant to be the Supreme Law of The Land?

What I'm saying is, you endorse more violence than the alleged "violence" you're against. 1 million dead in Iraq alone, We killed Gaddafi for speaking against the UN etc.

In the Liberals ideal world, there is no true peace. How could we be peaceful when our government breeds violence,wars and, immorality.

There is a better answer than total government control on free peaceful people.

 

I'm not advocating any of those things. You misunderstand. Also, I'm pretty sure conservatives, not liberals, generally advocate for stronger military presence.

I advocate for background checks and a ban on semi-automatics. Yep.

I also live in a place with strict gun laws and low gun violence. So, I've seen that stricter gun laws can and do work. I have never had a gun and didn't grow up with any sort of gun culture. Perhaps you did.

 

There is also a difference between "total government control" and "stricter gun laws."

 

I don't even watch TV- plus most media stations are actually on your side, so I fail to see why we are different. Do You think we (here on the Right) only watch Fox News or some shit?


I know CNN and MSNBC has been pushing for gun control.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC4JJWUtzkc

 

You don't need to really get the numbers for illionis, Just google 'cook county un solved/daily/hourly murder rate. Its not too hard if you have a brain to connect the dots.

Plain and simple, With a gun you have a chance, Without one you don't. If you think a rapeo is going to get you, Have a hand on it.
If you do get raped, Remember you have a gun and blow the mother fuckers heart out of his chest, Call the 5-0, And go get a rape kit done.
Sometimes not all can be stopped before the fact, But if you kill the sumbitch as he thinks hes getting away, How many more rapes will he be able to commit?

 

There's really not! Look at how much control our government already has. Expanding the government in any way at this point, is a bad idea. But taking away freedoms and our Constitution is worse. The government wants the same thing you want- it gives them legitimacy and space to crack more peaceful peoples skulls in.

Already we arrest people for pocession of a plant (A non violent victimless crime) to which, the government responds with fully amoured troops and guns. How is there terror any better than Adam Lanzas? It's not.

The government needs to crack down on peaceful people, cause they don't have enough of that already. (Even though we have the most overcrowed prisons in the world)


I'm not gonna sit here and debate. You seem pretty stuck in your ways. (Maybe you should look and see how many cops/soldiers lose it and shoot up blocks of Iranians.) You advocate government violence.

 

Well, you don't really know me and you aren't making too much sense so maybe it is better off if you don't sit here in debate.

I think the government ought to back off in certain areas--less regulation on drugs, back off the abortion laws, less military involvement. So no, I don't advocate a Big Brother government. So we agree on certain things--you might have wanted to know that before you made all of these false accusations. .

 

I was a Liberal at one time too- I know what you believe; And socially, that's great! I'm glad you believe in freedom! But I don't think freedom will ever be obtained by our government who is based on Military Intervention. Furthermore, our founding father Thomas jefferson said;

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."

 

Well if some unknown person said it, it must be true.

And as for the Constitution, it's a well written, thoughtful and useful document. A great rule of thumb, but--I fail to think the founding fathers could imagine the world which we live in now when they were writing it.

 

You dont know Thomas Jefferson? No wonder you're screwy. jpin

But I disagree; at the time, we had better guns at those times, than our oppressors. The Right to bare Arms is why the Revolution was fought!
It wasn't so long ago that this country was born.

I disagree also, that the Constitution should be some type of "guide," and not Law. The Constitution is the only thing protecting us from tyranny right now...

 

My point: You just quoted something without sourcing it. Which I feel is what you and hillbillyhippy have been doing this whole time.

"But I disagree; at the time, we had better guns at those times, than our oppressors. "

You disagree that the world was different but yet you are saying that we had better guns. Doesn't that mean you actually agree and that the world was indeed different?

And it was. Totally different. In so many, many ways. Technology, religion, war, weapons and how they were used. World War 2 hadn't been fought yet...nor WW1. Guns weren't what they are now--we now have weapons that the founding fathers couldn't have dreamed of when they were signing document. "Bearing arms" didn't have the same meaning. How could they have known what "Arms" would become?

 

That sort of logic is dangerous. The founders also had no idea things like the internet, radio, and television would someday be a reality. Are we to assume that when they were speaking of freedom of speech, the press, and so on, they couldn't have also meant those mediums? If you open one aspect of the Constitution to such reasoning you open it all to the same sort of reasoning.

 

You sound a bit religious sometimes when you talk about the 'founding fathers'.

 

i think the founding fathers could of dreamed of some pretty good weapons that they wish they had as they were being shot at.

 

This is absurd! I do not! People sound like they're worshipping Jesus though, when they support Obama and his Gun control iniatives. The very image of our founders has more substance than any "leader" who dragged this country into wars and bankruptcy.

There is no conversing with Liberals, cause automatically, they use flawed logic to pole holes in things they don't understand.