2nd amendment supporters

I thought the NRA dude's quote "The best thing thing to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun" was freaking priceless, from a dude who'd just said the problem was too many people watching violent movies. I mean, the line is straight out of a western.

But the reason they brought 'law' to the west was because it had turned into anarchy, right? Everyone shooting it out, winner takes all, like the old trial by combat.

But sometimes it's like people want to go back to that sort of society, where the power was with the biggest badass with a gun (or the guy paying him). And sometimes it looks from over here, like that's how things already are in some parts.

But that's not a good thing, is it?

 

look at it this way. I forget who said it but basically it gos like this.

No longer does the 100 lb woman have to fear the 250 lb thug, all thanks to a piece of steel in her purse. You can't rely on the police for everything man. Also I know at least in MY state, the concealed carriers are just as well trained as the police, because they have to take the same course to get their concealed carry as the police do, and show competency with a firearm

 

I second this notion.

Classes aren't manditory; but if that make one more responsible with your firearm- go ahead!

I grew up in a state which has crazy gun laws (NYC and Long Island) in places like NY and chicago, bad guys still get guns, but regular citizens cannot. (And we see how fantastic their gun crime rates are)

 

Exactly these states are proof it doesn't work in America. I don't know if your religious or not, but a part of the bible when they were rebuilding Jerusalem, it makes it a point that one is to be armed. Even if not religious I can see the strategic advantage for defense in this. Anyway, every guard had a sword, but they knew the guards couldn't do it all, so they told the people who brought the materials to have a sword in one hand, and the workers building the wall to have a sword at their side, that way they would be prepared to defend themselves.

 

Here is an excellent article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/the-gun-challenge-strict-laws-work.html?_r=0

"Experts from the Harvard School of Public Health, using data from 26 developed countries, have shown that wherever there are more firearms, there are more homicides. In the case of the United States, exponentially more: the American murder rate is roughly 15 times that of other wealthy countries, which have much tougher laws controlling private ownership of guns."

For example, in Australia:

A lone gunman, killed 35 people with a spray of bullets from semiautomatic weapons. Within weeks, the Australian government was working on gun reform laws that banned assault weapons and shotguns, tightened licensing and financed gun amnesty and buyback programs.

At the time, the prime minister, John Howard, said, “We do not want the American disease imported into Australia.”

Food for thought. Why are we so obsessed with guns? What is it about America's unique culture.

Personally, I am all for background checks. I live in an area with strict gun laws, and not accidentally, low firearm death rates.

 

However, more people die in the country from falling than from gun homocides. I also fail to believe your statistics. London has taken away guns- still gangs are getting guns and causing violence.

The only thing you're advocating is taking away citizens rights to defend themselves over fear pushed by the left.

The Constitution is VERY clear on the issue; you don't like it, move to Austriallia- but you wont be able to defend yourself from criminals who get guns anyway

 

yes this has proven to work in other countries, NOT AMERICA just look at ny and chicago

 

You fail to believe my statistics yet present none of your own and source none of your statements. I mean--are you from London or are you from Atlanta?

 

Just look at the statistics of gun crime in new york and chicago, its all over the news, but just request it and i will post links.

 

You site Chicago, but that seems to be the exception to the rule:



And NY--well, NY isn't as dangerous as it was during the cocaine epidemic in the 80's. It has actually been cleaned up nicely.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

Source of the chart/interesting read ^.

 

I'm from NY (And thusly know enough about gun 'criminalization' to know it doesn't work.) Gangsters get guns and rob people anyway at gun point. Even if the whole US made it illegal, machine guns and AK47's can be easily obtained in Mexico. Gun laws don't work. What do you mean I failed to provide statistics? More people die from FALLING then gun violence; perhaps liberals believe we should ban "high places," since humans beings are stupid and can't be trusted. (According to you.)

 

Do you ever wonder whether something just seems more important/problematic than it actually is because it is all over the news? Ever think that maybe the major news channels just want to make money so they play stories that use buzzwords and get people to pay attention. Perhaps even despite the truth?

 

Notice you source is "Gun deaths" not "gun homocides;" that's a normal trick for Liberals to add legitimacy to giving total control to government!

 

yeah how many of those deaths are self defense?

 

Or accidental!? People should store guns properly, but suggesting making it illegal will help is absurd. We all see how prohibition has worked with drugs and alcohol etc. (It doesn't)

 

My guess is that, IF that statistic is true (the falling thing), most deaths from falling are NOT malicious. Most deaths from automobiles/falling/poison/whatever are not malicious. People don't (often) kill someone with an automobile in self defense. They don't (often) fall off of high places on purpose. Killing with guns is purposeful AND easily prevented.

Also, guns don't help defend as much as we would like to think. Do you realize that there were armed guards at Columbine High School the day of the massacre? There were armed Guards at Virgina tech as well. Undoubtedly, there were armed people at the Fort Hood massacre too. How did "good guys" having guns help in these situations? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columbine-armed-guards-schools-students-safe-article-1.1225796

 

THANK YOU !!! :love:

if you're dyin to shoot something, shoot your tv.

 

Another thing you all probably know--Adam Lanza's mother was armed to the TEETH. A lot of good her piles of guns did her.

My point--having guns might help IF the person about to attack you gives you a fair amount of time to react. A girl might be able to fend off her 250 lb attacker if he doesn't grab her and choke her first.

I doubt a rapist is going to announce his presence and give the girl enough time to grab, point, prepare, aim and shoot her gun at him.

 

This is propaganda honestly.There have been MANY cases where guns protected people; even a 10 year old little boy protected his home and little sister from 4 robbers with a semi automatic!

 

I feel like you are talking out of your heart, not your brain. Your reactions seem more anecdotal than actually informed.

"that's a normal trick for Liberals to add legitimacy to giving total control to government!"

Come on. Screaming louder and using stronger language does not make you more right.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Are any of them desirable? Would you rather have deaths or no deaths? Any death is one was better off not occurring.