2nd amendment supporters

The 2nd amendment has no meaning for me. I've lived my entire life never being near guns, never owning them, using them. etc. etc. I don't understand why people would want them. They are dangerous and unnecessary.

But that is just me. I mean...whatever people feel like they need. I just wouldn't want them in a home with my children.

 

You don't need a background check for private transactions between individuals. Although question. If I know for a fact my friend is not a felon, why should i need to do a background check on him, thats ridiculous. Besides you can do background checks online now, and more and more I am seeing people do it in private transactions on armslist, listed criteria, must pass a background check and produce ID

 

Here is a really interesting statistic I found in my counseling textbook (I'm a masters degree student in psychology):

This was in the suicide chapter

"The most frequent use of a gun in the home is for suicide. Researches examined consecutive deaths by gun in the homes of families who owned guns. Of the deaths. only 0.5 % involved intruders shot by families protecting themselves. 83% were suicides of adolescent or adult family members. 12 were homicides of one adult in the home by another family member, usually in a fight. The final 3% were due to accidental shootings of a family member." (Kellermann, Rivara, Somes & Reay).

 

There is no check for private sales. Anyone with a federal firearms license (a dealer) is required to run a check, even for concealed permit holders.

So by your logic, I should have to have a background check run if I give a gun to a family member?

Liberals are just about worse than neocons.

Why the fuck is everyone in favor of gov't control?

 

Well, that's the choice of the individual. If we as a society would focus on addressing economic and root social issues, rather than focusing on putting a band-aid on the outcome, I'd venture to guess many less people would feel that alienated and desperate.

 

I can respect that, and I think it's cool you are open minded about it while having never been around guns.

And I guess one of the main arguments is that if you ever do need it, it can save your life.

I'm going to have to change some habits when I have kids. I live alone and leave guns laying around a lot of the time.

 

I put them away except the sidearm with-in seconds reach and the old tried and true mossy 500 sawed off. Its in a room with a kid proof door and the closet has the same kid proofing.

Just tell them they are not toys. The more I think about it I don't want to give my son my kid toys that's about 50 toy guns that look more real than the cheapened versions they make today.

They are not a toy, Don't touch. There is no 'try again' its boom dead, End of story and if you tell them that, they will listen. My son goes out of his way if I leave it on the counter for a couple minutes or out in general.

Every parent is different, But I want my son to own and shoot guns. Its not only his right, But shooting shit is still fun as hell at any age. Good luck and make sure the more safety the better. Safety being you're kid being around and knowing to pay no mind and certain ones are fr protection.

 

That's all well and great, but the point is that it's not consistent. There's too much room for weapons to exchange hands irresponsibly, and even individuals that are friends don't necessarily know everything about each other. If you're that close then great no problems will probably arise, but you have to admit that straw purchases are a method in which the criminal underground obtains guns in the first place.

 

What is your definition of a straw purchase. To me it is going in and saying it is for me, when really it is for the guy who couldn't pass a background check in the parking lot, who said he'd give me two grand if I got it for him. It is not a straw purpose if I mark down I am getting it as a gift for a family member, say my little cousin who wants to get into shooting targets, with the permission of his mother

 

Background checks are stupid. Most "felonies" are drug related, therefore background checks are just the governments way of keeping normal people away from gun ownership.

If background checks worked, they'd be looking for violence; not just ANYTHING they can tell you "no" for!


(IE somebody was using heroine) That doesn't hurt anyone but themselves; still, that's enough of a reason to turn someone down. Our Government is just really good at making less freedom sound good.

 

Hey, here's a thing.

I just watched Gunfight at OK Corral right... so it makes me think about Wyatt Earp and his bros - us law enforcement agents - enforcing a no-guns rule in Tombstone.

srsly. Does that mean that pro-gun lobby would be saying the Earp brothers were wrong?

Because the reasoning (and not just in the film) was the same as the gun control lobby.

The whole "I can be trusted with my gun" thing is fine, but it's about everyone else who you can't trust. You got driving laws not because you personally can't drive safely without them, but so that you're protected from the OTHER idiots.

 

yes but often times when it was broken you never really got years in prison, it was more of a few days in jail

 

We share this definition of what a "straw purchase" is.

I don't believe backround checks are foolproof, but I think part of their failure, which is why you are questioning their efficacy in the first place, has to do with the lack of consistent enforcement of them nationwide (online or otherwise).

If you want your gun rights, don't commit a felony, especially one that's drug related.

 

You misunderstand; I support Human Rights- some humans use drugs, but they shouldn't be criminalize as there's really no just cause for the government to impose violence for victimless crimes to begin with!

 

Then perhaps the debate should be about if one gets clean, and then they can once again pass those backround checks and all can resume as normal.

I don't know about you but someone who is stuck on hard drugs, and then allowing them to get guns just seems like a recipe for disaster.

And nobody is imposing violence here, just a lawful backround check.

 

Once you are clean for so many years in some states I think, at least mine former drug users can own a gun, as long as they haven't used them for so many years as a registered drug addict

 

But the problem isn't really with people who can or might pass background checks...

...it seems to me the problem is with the criminals who get their weapons on the black market.

 

Yes. Try comparing anything else from that era to modern times. Just admit you are the fearful one. There is no devils advocate here. If you are good, and spread good, your name will either be a legacy or a marter. Stop worrying about possibilities.

 

no offense, but... whuhfuh?

1. What era - The 1940s, 1950s, 1990s, 2000s? Because them's when the films are from, and I'm asking about the filmic presentation of the anti-gun Earp brothers as heros.

2. I ain't fearful. Why would I be? I keep myself to myself and the crims where I live ain't gonna bother me.

3. Devil's advocate? Where? It's a discussion, I was wondering what the pro-gun people thought about this American cultural hero of the Wild West actually being a gun control trail-blazer.

4. I try not to be a bad person. Trying to be a good person a bit too much at the mo'. But your legacy/martyr point is... ?

5. Worrying about which possibilities?

6. No seriously... whuhfuh?

 

If you think life follows along movies and 'tombstone' that was made in, But set in the era of.

Kinda funny too, Doc holiday a well know criminal and killer, Friend and could carry and kill at will, No earp batted an eye. There are two others in that film with countless others who were pick and choose in that 'era' same as today.

Wild bill was a killer but they couldn't kill him, They tried, Bounty hunters tried but no one could so they gave him a badge. Back then, It was pick and choose and if you were known or you had money. If you had land and money, Well you're not going to spend but a night in jail.