2c-e vs. LSD

I've never been to jail while tripping, and I hope I'm never in that situation. I've been to jail on xanax though, which resulted in some craziness. I still had some xanax in a secret pocket in my hat while I was in the holding cell, and I ate them shits haha

I think I could handle jail while tripping, but I hope I never have to find out.

 

I haven't a clue what got you guys all going light speed tonight... :sunny:

I'm barely catching up with pages and pages of you guys stuff... TNS, I gotta say man, 2C-e in the 50 range might be in the stars for me one day but as of tonight, I can say unequivocally that 30 can't hold a CANDLE to a good microdot. 30mg of 2C-e should go hang with a bowl of dirt weed compared to the sheer beauty and brilliance of some really fine Lucy.

 

HAHAHA! That's fuckin' insane, that's like when I got arrested while on mushrooms loitering after curfew when I had a pipe in my pocket and before getting frisked I sneakily snuck it outta my pocket, tossed it under a car, it bumped of the pig's SHOE and bounced under a tire, I never got caught for being high or possession! Likewise, I kinda sorta got outta my legal troubles after my incarceration on insufflated 75mg each 2ci and 4 aces, I went bonkers on that dose of each... snorting 2cx drugs doubles their effect because PEA's break down some in first pass metabolism... so insufflating 75mg 2ci was akin to dosing orally ~150mg 2ci, add that to 75mg 4 aces, I was instantly peaking, then I got so high that I forgot who I was, became delerious, lost track of my memory, blankity-blank-blank-blank, and I found myself in the can and every other jailbird could tell I was high as fuck, but I denied it to everyone You never trust a soul in jail, anyone can flip on you if they think they can catch an edge... man, jail fuckin' humbles ya... so does rehab, well that more like ENRAGES ya, and psych wards make you GO fuckin' nutso bein' around so many irrational peeps... livin' on the streets feels very free but lost and unburdened, but also very vulnerable, very, very humbling... I made it through my stint of homelessness by reading 'The Alchemist' and reading 'The First Five People You Meet In Heaven', both very amazing books!

Fuck dood, I'm on SSDI/Medicare and dodgin' skool debts by deferring time and again (never gonna pay those fuckers back, I'm fuckin' Robin Hood! Fuck Hewlett Packard, USBank, Merrill Lynch, Enron, McDonalds, Kmart, Walmart, Walgreen's, or any fuckin' chain like that, I shoplift from those thieving bastards, lol!)... Or sometimes rematriculating and edging forward toward a Bachelor's of some sort, now I'm thinking ethnomycology, ethnobotany, and organic chemistry or psychopharmacology or find a school that will let me work toward all four in some capacity (gee, go figure!)... I would be proud to be the next Owsley

 

2C-E: totally like legal LSD (dood)

LSD: totally like illegal 2C-E (dood)

 

like i've said before, you're WAY too concerned with visuals. that is not ALL that defines a psychedelic experience.
and for ME, 20 mg is more visual than any dose of LSD i've ever taken.
if you can be a hard-head when it comes to 2ce, and require a huge dose just to get visuals, then why can't i be sensitive to it, and get a great trip from 20 mg?

1) i don't see where you got this idea about me - about downplaying psychedelics as something for pleasure, not enlightenment..

2) never said it was..

 

I've never gotten that vibe from you. At least, you don't seem to use them JUST for pleasure anyway. lol Business AND pleasure

 

^^thanks. exactly.

 

No one ever said Spicey Cat didn't have a clue about MDMA cos she got mashed off like 50mg. She was sensitive to it and i'm sure 20mg of 2c-e is enough for pork.

 

Don't get me wrong I get 'enlightenment' from the psychedelic experience, in a similar way to the profound thoughts which run thru my head when stoned.
When you say that these affects are no different to reality, that they are just as real I think this highlights the fundamental difference between us here.

I think that whilst the psychedelic experience is beneficial and valuable and helps you realise things about yourself etc. that it's all too easy to just get caught up in that and use it to justify drug usage. A Mexican shaman may learn from experiencing alternate realities but at the same time a mexican shaman isn't dosing a multitude of research chemicals on a regular basis.

I don't think psychedelics are addictive, but I think that when you place so much value on their effects it is no different to someone who just wants the pleasure of a line of coke to get fucked up. This is what I was saying about guilt. You are still just taking drugs. So to make a distinction and say that I am any kind of particular person who is overly concerned with pure hedonism whilst you are getting something so much more when essentially neither of us is a Mexican shaman is in my opinion a little bit off.

I don't know where I'm going with this post it's one of those that you type out and pause, and continue and pause, and delete some and continue and then consider scrapping the whole thing but I won't as, I dunno I just feel comfortable enough throwing my thoughts around in here as I know we're all open minded individuals living in totally different and pretty much unknown to each other circumstances which have powerfully affected who we are what we think etc.

I will finish with this. When you smoke DMT you are not meeting God.

eace:

 

i really liked this paragraph.

i too have struggled with guilt from taking psychedelics. partly because my fiance doesn't really approve, and i used to lie to her about my use. partly because i worry a tiny bit about what RCs, particularly 2ce, might be doing to my body. and partly because i kind of agree, that it's still just drug use...looking for a high.
thought i had something else to say on this topic, but just completely lost my train of thought...

this mescaline is definitely working. it's very subtle. i think i have a really hard time experiencing a new psychedelic for the first time. without knowing what to expect, i almost miss the effects or something. for example) 25 mg 4acodmt, 150 mg MDMA, and now mescaline. with LSD, mushrooms, and 2ce i kind of know what to expect, but i still tripped awesomely from my first doses of each. but the three other drugs, 4aco only at the low dose i'm sure, are so mellow and subtle, that it's hard to notice the effects i guess for me

 

You probably haven't gotten past the comeup yet and you're probably in for a very nice experience What was the dosage again? 525mg? Something like that. lol That's supposed to be a nice dose, if I'm not mistaken.

 

Never had the pleasure of dosing microdots. The most intense experiences I've had with LSD were 7 VERY potent WoW's on 7/7/07, and 3 2010 Hofmann blotters, which was last year, I think.

 

loving the 7/7/07 trip!

 

lol Indeed. That shit was fated. Not only was it 7/7/07, but it was also 7 blotters Those were easily the cleanest and most potent blotters I've ever had My cousin, who had never taken LSD, also ate 7 blotters that night.

 

I've met spicey cat and she was on 150 mg MDMA at a concert (+ 2 hits of acid) and she said it wasn't anything overwhelming so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Although I have a friend who took 20 mg 2c-e, maybe even a little less, and he said it was a little overwhelming at points, but smoking some pot helped him a lot and he was ok, so I can understand not wanting to dose higher, though he still got visuals from it but I'm sure they weren't the same as what I get on a higher dose.

 

well it was probably shit mdma she says that it affects her loads and does like 50mg doses. It was just an example i know she'd have taken more anyway but i was trying to get a point across.

 

I know, and your point is valid

 

In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have mentioned what I read about 2c-e being nicknamed "legal LSD". I really didn't intend for that to be taken literally, just an example of the proposed similarities.
Sorry!

 

They are kind of the same as like bananas and peaches both grow on trees. Like I said to TNS, I can't speak of over 50mg E experiences but to me, and especially after last night, L is and always will be in a class all by itself. I had doors blown off their hinges. How much is 'different substances/different people' , I dunno.

 

Understandable.
I was just curious for a comparison in contrast to say, DXM and LSD. Now, those are obviously VERY different. I was hoping 2c-e, in that regard, would be more similar to LSD.

Also, I'm glad to hear of your experience last night. I'd love to get some good Lucy, but she hasn't come to visit in over a year.