2c-e vs. LSD

EXACTLY ON POINT!!! Just like I have said here lotsa times, everyone is a little intimidated/chickenshit with dmt! HAHA!

ANOTHER ALL-STAR POINT!!!!! I was just commenting to porkstock the other day that as he sees the world and trees all as fractals nowadays since becoming an acidhead, whereas I can see that, but quantum uncertainty, quantum entanglement, quantum physics all around really piques my interest with sikes, but of most of all with dmt!!! I get to thinking about things like how every particle is mostly empty space and from my fingers to this keyboard to your eyes as you read this, there's a flow of particles that connects everything, even thoughts, in the process of every action/non-action. Physicists theorize that that's god, when you fully realize yourself you are god, you are your whole world, there is only a fabricated vision of the carpet and "I" actually in existence; in reality, everything is ONE. Ohm!!! Haha! So yeah, cool you recognize that too That's my biggest interest on sikes since they allow you to visualize reality in different ways that could have happened had history run a different course while living in the here and now and the two colliding! And dmt is the best vessel for reaching that Higher state of consciousness out there, hence, every reason to get scared of it every once in a while... except for Spicey, she is a witch, a dmt witch and the author of the world's standard for extracting MHRB! For her, she fits right into that world, she's a rare one. Can't think of many people that don't fear it at least a little... she's very careful and reducing of harm is her advocacy, but not seemingly frightened of it one bit. She may be one of the true shaman of this motley crue here at HF psychedelic forum :sunny:

 

^^^what you said the other day crossed my mind at lab meeting not that quantum mechanics is a new topic to me, but you just brought it back up. well, we were sitting there, listening to someone talk about science...in a room on the 3rd floor, where i work everyday. "but shit, this floor isn't solid! neither am i! am i gonna fall through? nope, guess not.." it was a unique phenomenon that happened next. i felt like i was about to tune into the world behind the curtain, where i might see the empty space rather than the illusion of solid matter.

part in bold is only theory.

yes, sir! i had tried salvia twice before as a teenager. we did use a bong one of those times, but we only took one hit, then passed it, then took another. salvia is a leaf so it burns super fast, and you can't pass it around like weed. you have to take the hits quick and hold em like with DMT.

anyways, the 1st 2 times like 8 years ago, i had 'salvia gravity,' laughing, etc so i never really bought all the stuff i read about breaking through. well i got some 10X from a friend, enough to pack my bong slide halfway, twice.. two trips worth. a friend came over to get high, and i asked if he'd watch me smoke salvia (coincidentally, he was the friend i smoked it with twice before those 8 years prior) well he smoked a bong of cannabis, while i watched, then i loaded the salvia. i took the first large rip and held it....he was staring at me so i kind of over exaggerated the weird feeling that was creeping in, said "oh man" and went in for the 2nd smaller, half cashed hit. i don't recall exhaling that one.

i didn't know my brain was capable of something like this. i was completely removed from my surrounding and saw nothing of this normal reality. all saw a whole new environment, but not with my eyes. they may have been open or closed. but i was "seeing" this scene, but it was more like "feeling" or "knowing" it.
i completely forgot that i took a drug.

i was suddenly in the middle of this ritual of some sort, kinda like a game but UBER fucking serious! everyone i knew was there, but i saw no faces. only felt their presence. it required doing a specific move, when the music came around to you. it felt like a see and say kind of (the spinning wheel that lands on a pig oink oink or a cow, moo moo) this hallucination was being influenced by the music i later learned. the chorus was the cyclical nature i felt of the music coming around to me. it came twice.

the first time, i was slightly nervous. i didn't know what to do. it was as if reality was the page of a book. and alternate realities were the other pages. i had existed my whole life on the one page, but now was being flipped through the pages, violently. my couch (i only say couch because i know that's where i was sitting / rolling / crawling and scratching) turned into my parents' house's shower? my surroundings were violently merged and then replaced with the other "page" AKA alternate dimension.

anyways, the "move" you were supposed to do was like this backward dive, in time with the music and the flipping of dimensions, in order to seamlessly flow into the next one without causing a disturbance. but the first time, like i said i didn't know what to do. it caused the pages to kinda wrinkle and get stuck at the edges. the song was glitching. everyone was disappointed. but i somehow made it to the other side, and round two was coming quickly! what the fuck was i supposed to do?!

in reality, my friend tells me that i was spinning around in circles, with my arms extended. then i was rolling and flipping on the couch, and falling off of it. when i was thinking "what do i do?" i was actually screaming this out loud as fast as he had ever heard anyone speak. he had no clue what i was saying and was ready to call an ambulance had it not only lasted ~5 minutes real time.

so the 2nd time, i was terrified. if i didn't learn the move i was gonna get stuck here, in THIS dimension! i had to get back to my own and this was the only way.

my whole life had been a trick. all my loved ones could now breath easy that i'd finally come to my senses and seen through the charade.

i wanted to be back to my normal life though. that wasn't gonna happen...

when i came to, i finally noticed my friend in the room with me. at first i thought he had played some crazy magic trick on me. i think i even said "what the fuck was that?" then i slowly remembered, oh i had smoked salvia and it was all my idea. shit! where was the bong? oh you took it from me? when?! where's my laptop? oh, you moved it so i didn't kick it? thanks. if i didn't have a sitter, i'm sure i would have came back to reality with my broken bong shards on my laptop, at the very best.

well, there's that. salvia is definitely one to take seriously

 

She was still quite curious but believed me when I said we would need a much better setting than a cold wet forest at night.

That's it exactly, it's like it induces a global panic attack. Full stop. 2 hits into DMT and I have never been so grateful for a sober consciousness I know intellectually what I must do and what's going on and all that, that I'm resisting and should just smoke until the elves take my pipe away, but it's quite terrifying. It's that damn ROA. I would not hesitate to take Ayahuasca. I find DPT even scarier, but once it's in your nose/muscle, there's nothing you can do about it, and you have no choice but to get your act together (which in this case, means letting go of all acts). But since I'm beginning to experience this existential terror while I'm inducing it, my brain naturally aborts the induction. I have much more respect for Spicey now that I've dipped my toes into 2 hits. It had been a while since I had done that. I'm sure I will break through this summer. I also have some highly potent changa that is sure to do the trick, and I would be interested also in a syrian rue/dmt oral dose, though I read those are very finicky.

 

Definitely, Salvia is a very nihilistic trip in a sense. Dmt seems to provide all this joy and beauty of those otherworlds and hope for after life type feelings and Salvia makes your life feeling like a fucking nonsense joke and the realm its integrating you into is not really any sort of realm 'you' should be apart of it seems. Its more of a clashing dissosance in my experience than DMT. Salvia can be absolutely blissful and beautiful at times as well, and conversely Dmt can be frightening but Salvia seems harder to surrender too and more consistently produces a more wicked and ruthless type trip.

 

Nah man, Don't comment on injection until you try it. You can still experience 'existential terror' while that plunger is going down and the 'pin prick' will definitely give you a hyper awareness to it. You can also easily remove a needle before the plunger is all the way down. The smoking ROA gets on top of you alot quicker but DMT usually gives me a couple seconds to get cozy even off 3-4 large hits, as cosmoknot said you just gotta do it.

I'd go with Straight up DMT freebase or jungle spice if you want to see the power of DMT. Changa seems to be slower and not as powerful ime, i'm not sure if it's the maoi's that slow it down or because you have to smoke more but I have not really had entity contact or anything like that with Changa personally. I don't know if I view it as such but someone on BL referred to changa as 'Dancefloor DMT' and I think I kind of get that, it's more what I would smoke with music on.

 

Fascinating, I'm pretty stoked with myself to have brought to the table the connections to humanism, naturalism, quantum mechanics, Mandelbrot Sets, and psychedelics + your brainz natural chemistry!

I know it's only theory, but I tend to believe in that theory because a true dmt breakthrough is very similar to that dreamstate attained in that half-awake/half-asleep state, only much more dmt so exponentially more intense, then being fully awake for it your imagination, memories, feelings create a reality that you just "know" or "live" as you said, not see or feel, but "live it".

That's insane, your game you had to play. My only bad trip with acid was when I took a hit of black blotter called 'death' and I was riding my bicycle to an herb shop to get kava kava because it fights strychnine poisoning and at that time I was naive and really believed that strychnine was a small enough molecule to fit on a blotter tab. It's not, I know that now. Anyway, a godhead figure came down out of the clouds and explained to me in "place" outside of time and space everything about life worked, it was sort of a version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead... It explained to me that life is essentially a game of chess and the object is to outsmart the elves, or god basically. That's nirvana. It's scary as fuck to have revelations like that. My experience mirrors your salvia experience. I actually stopped sikes altogther for years after that one trip at a time when I was taking acid or shrooms three to four times a week, and always free since I helped source it out back in the day.
Rather than accepting Nirvana, I shyed away from it until I finally realized that MDMA was helping me cope better than any medicine my shrink was giving me, and in much less time at much smaller doses. I then began to think of sikes as medicine, not recreational drugs as it might seem that I take them as, and most often when I take something, I don't do it on the fly, I prepare. Like if I take a piracetam, I wait an hour before taking anything else, and I titrate up to make certain I'm going to be okay. I take frequent psychological beatings, that's for sure, but like Dante's Inferno, it's healthy and natural to climb up from Purgatory into Nirvana. The demons are always there, but so are the elves, it's yin/yang. It is life. DMT is the Spirit Molecule, it *IS* sentient. I have a bowl of it sitting over behind me, my friend just took four tokes and it's mixed in with some green, green grass, and a changa consisting of wild dagga, opium lettuce, blue & sacred lotuses, dream herb, peppermint, spearmint, JWH's -019, 081, 122, 210, 250, 251, and 5-meo-dalt or -dmt. Who knows? You've gotta surrender your ego, your self, reality at the door, suspend your fear and just experience the amazement like Spicey would say. She's a wise one she is.

Anyway, my friend is one of those rare ones that experiences no fear going in or under the influence while coexisting in this realm, so Tabula Rasa aka Nirvana is more achievable to him! I do have that fear though, sometimes I know I want to do it, but at the same time know I'm gonna freak my shit and as you said, have to stay on Page One, not the other pages flipping by in fractal motion! Awesome that you got to thinking that too, Schrödinger's Cat, is it alive, dead, somewhere in between, is it material, what are particles, subatomic particles, what's smaller than those, is the multiverse just a bigger random selection of the 'bubbles' that are our universes? What am I doing right now in my Alternate Reality that really does exist that I'm actually experiencing just as going through this one. Very exiting, or like Writer said, immediately praising the sober state of mind and feeling so restful that in twenty minutes or less, as you begin to "feel" "YOU", or "I" again, the weirdness will HALT. DMT is nice like that with a sitter present, so long as someone is there to make sure you don't harm yourself, others, or property... it really does sound like salvia is much like deem in many regards, thank you for sharing, before reading this I kinda thought too that salvia breakthroughs were mythological, I never knew 'til my first deem breakthrough like your 3rd and 4th "rulez" (in your words) of the "game". Life, here and there. Tabula Rasa is really a Nirvana achievement. Meditation is healthy for the soul. I just watched a documentary made by grown up abused children, scarred adults facing their fears head-on by living in the now... they went homeless exhausting for smokes and food.., cigs rolled outta used butts off of the street and outta ashtrays are a new low you don't wanna ever know, lol. UGH! Humbling and so much more could have killled me that insane trip on 75mg 2ci/75 mg 4-aco-dmt I've said it a few times, but that experience though not something I want to revisit every again, like when god spoke to me about life as a game of chess, similar to your theories and :moves" in or "flips, backwards flips right?" and "I" disappearing while the Alterante Reality overcomes you, you are "IT", "everything and nothing. I will certainly respect my 15x salvia with something like 60mg Salvinorin-A per gram I think. That's a LOT huh? Diviner's Sage, sounds wonderfully frighteningly humblingly real unreal reality shifting as mutiverses grow infinitiely smaller as DMT or apparently salvia divinorum assists you in seeing how it all fits. Quantum mechanics and astro physics fit together perfecty, but not mathematically because they coexist as two forms of science incongruent witht this reality. When hit really hard and you start to believe all of the otherworldy stuff a SITTER is NOT an option but a REQUIREMENT. Harm reduction is a priority when someone around you is taking a deleriant whether it's PCP, K, high dose acid & shrooms, salvia, deem, datura (the most AWFUL trip I've ever, had... ate an eighth of shrooms and about five flowers and leaves, no thornapples, and I was enjoying the patterning for a while... that while last all the next two days, I fell asleep tripping on datura and a psychotic feeling dream that I prefered being awake kept creeping into my sleepstate. Fuck that shit. High doses of scoplomine, atropine, and hyoscyamine.. tripping so hard you're talking to peoplle that don't exist "here" but that do, talking on the phone that's not "there" to "someone" you "not legging go" for two days and living that world is tiresome and scary as shit. I don't get people that enjoy Datura, I think Carlos Castanada was both a genius and a nut.

Lol! I'm sitting here comtemplating whether I'm brave enough today now that my friend's sober to enter DMTworld, haha. t7 and deem and now strong salvia and K and PCP proper all fascinate me, but I need to confess porkstock and Writer, I broke down last night and today for another hurrah! and took an 800mg piracetam, an hour later I drank a 2c-x 5 Hour Energy sip or two when the Molly was coming on, then i said fuck it and drank the whole thing... then about 45 minutes later I looked up and it was 4.5 hours later, I'd been sitting in a meditative trance, I've never been able to meditate in my life but have seriously considering living in Molly + the rest of the world that's not the USFUCKINA? Syria and India and Cambodia and Nepal all sounded interesting, even Madagascar, but once diving into the topic, India seems to be the most accecaple here... anyway, off topic, so I drank alllll the 2ce/2cb + caffeine and piracetam together, fuck an "A", with Molly I seriously attained Nirvana for about 30 minutes in after drinking the 2cx mixture. Wow. I took another 75mg Molly when I became coherent again, which heightenend the high for the rest of the night but I remained calm throughout (not all that I've got, but the most at onetime and showed my fear and respect of Molly. the Molly an Extra Strength caffeine 5 Hour Energy with 35mg of 2ce and 45mg of 2cb plus parachuted 160mg Molly, then, an hour and a half later after attaining that Tabula Rasa, I'm not shitting, for 4.5 hours where I was present, but not interested in my hallucinations, my body, my thoughts... Tabula Rasa, nothingness became peace. It is all a charade, and that's all of puzzling, frustrating, exciting, curious, and utterly peaceful at the core. I felt so amazing after my meditative state declined, but amazed that I finally realized that nothingness, Tabula Rasa is the Nirvana we seek, and it's the Purgatory we live ourselves in every moment. We cling to it because it's what we know, and yet once introduced to the other side, when given a proper state to examine the "I" reality crumbles You get it porkstock and you do too Writer, so do GB and TNS and GM. We all just go about it in different ways. As TNS says, different tokes... just have a SOBER SITTER for deem and stong salvia!!! Try to be as witchy and smart like she is and stay safe, that's the best way to enjoy it she REALLY gets it!!!

So I'm still afraid to take the bowl of deem waitin' for me. Once I came down from the 2ce/2cb an began to 'normalize', I took 50mg oral of t2 based on TNS's claim of that big of a dose, and I did just have an electrical shot that ran through every nerve fiber of my very being. So I'm flying in a great way, t2 at really high doses is very cerebral and insightgful if you let your fears go and realize that nothing is real. Strawberry Fields Forever man :sunny:

Oh yeah, I should add I saw this movie called 'The Experiment' where a group of civilians are segregated as inmates afwully treated by men who a few days ago were civil to them, but with percieved power they became malicious and contentious and just evil. It was very similar to 'A Clockwork Orange', India, ashrams, yogis, meditation... I truly think it's something I must compellingly do, I must go to India and study under a yogi in an ashram!!! With psychedelics of course

(favorite convo on HF *ever* in my book!!!)

 

Do you know if you got the standardized Salvia extract Cosmo?

 

Fascinating, I'm pretty stoked with myself to have brought to the table the connections to humanism, naturalism, quantum mechanics, Mandelbrot Sets, and psychedelics + your brainz natural chemistry!

I know it's only theory, but I tend to believe in that theory because a true dmt breakthrough is very similar to that dreamstate attained in that half-awake/half-asleep state, only much more dmt so exponentially more intense, then being fully awake for it your imagination, memories, feelings create a reality that you just "know" or "live" as you said, not see or feel, but "live it".

That's insane, your game you had to play. My only bad trip with acid was when I took a hit of black blotter called 'death' and I was riding my bicycle to an herb shop to get kava kava because it fights strychnine poisoning and at that time I was naive and really believed that strychnine was a small enough molecule to fit on a blotter tab. It's not, I know that now. Anyway, a godhead figure came down out of the clouds and explained to me in "place" outside of time and space everything about life worked, it was sort of a version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead... It explained to me that life is essentially a game of chess and the object is to outsmart the elves, or god basically. That's nirvana. It's scary as fuck to have revelations like that. My experience mirrors your salvia experience. I actually stopped sikes altogther for years after that one trip at a time when I was taking acid or shrooms three to four times a week, and always free since I helped source it out back in the day.
Rather than accepting Nirvana, I shyed away from it until I finally realized that MDMA was helping me cope better than any medicine my shrink was giving me, and in much less time at much smaller doses. I then began to think of sikes as medicine, not recreational drugs as it might seem that I take them as, and most often when I take something, I don't do it on the fly, I prepare. Like if I take a piracetam, I wait an hour before taking anything else, and I titrate up to make certain I'm going to be okay. I take frequent psychological beatings, that's for sure, but like Dante's Inferno, it's healthy and natural to climb up from Purgatory into Nirvana. The demons are always there, but so are the elves, it's yin/yang. It is life. DMT is the Spirit Molecule, it *IS* sentient. I have a bowl of it sitting over behind me, my friend just took four tokes and it's mixed in with some green, green grass, and a changa consisting of wild dagga, opium lettuce, blue & sacred lotuses, dream herb, peppermint, spearmint, JWH's -019, 081, 122, 210, 250, 251, and 5-meo-dalt or -dmt. Who knows? You've gotta surrender your ego, your self, reality at the door, suspend your fear and just experience the amazement like Spicey would say. She's a wise one she is.

Anyway, my friend is one of those rare ones that experiences no fear going in or under the influence while coexisting in this realm, so Tabula Rasa aka Nirvana is more achievable to him! I do have that fear though, sometimes I know I want to do it, but at the same time know I'm gonna freak my shit and as you said, have to stay on Page One, not the other pages flipping by in fractal motion! Awesome that you got to thinking that too, Schrödinger's Cat, is it alive, dead, somewhere in between, is it material, what are particles, subatomic particles, what's smaller than those, is the multiverse just a bigger random selection of the 'bubbles' that are our universes? What am I doing right now in my Alternate Reality that really does exist that I'm actually experiencing just as going through this one. Very exiting, or like Writer said, immediately praising the sober state of mind and feeling so restful that in twenty minutes or less, as you begin to "feel" "YOU", or "I" again, the weirdness will HALT. DMT is nice like that with a sitter present, so long as someone is there to make sure you don't harm yourself, others, or property... it really does sound like salvia is much like deem in many regards, thank you for sharing, before reading this I kinda thought too that salvia breakthroughs were mythological, I never knew 'til my first deem breakthrough like your 3rd and 4th "rulez" (in your words) of the "game". Life, here and there. Tabula Rasa is really a Nirvana achievement. Meditation is healthy for the soul. I just watched a documentary made by grown up abused children, scarred adults facing their fears head-on by living in the now... they went homeless exhausting for smokes and food.., cigs rolled outta used butts off of the street and outta ashtrays are a new low you don't wanna ever know, lol. UGH! Humbling and so much more could have killled me that insane trip on 75mg 2ci/75 mg 4-aco-dmt I've said it a few times, but that experience though not something I want to revisit every again, like when god spoke to me about life as a game of chess, similar to your theories and :moves" in or "flips, backwards flips right?" and "I" disappearing while the Alterante Reality overcomes you, you are "IT", "everything and nothing. I will certainly respect my 15x salvia with something like 60mg Salvinorin-A per gram I think. That's a LOT huh? Diviner's Sage, sounds wonderfully frighteningly humblingly real unreal reality shifting as mutiverses grow infinitiely smaller as DMT or apparently salvia divinorum assists you in seeing how it all fits. Quantum mechanics and astro physics fit together perfecty, but not mathematically because they coexist as two forms of science incongruent witht this reality. When hit really hard and you start to believe all of the otherworldy stuff a SITTER is NOT an option but a REQUIREMENT. Harm reduction is a priority when someone around you is taking a deleriant whether it's PCP, K, high dose acid & shrooms, salvia, deem, datura (the most AWFUL trip I've ever, had... ate an eighth of shrooms and about five flowers and leaves, no thornapples, and I was enjoying the patterning for a while... that while last all the next two days, I fell asleep tripping on datura and a psychotic feeling dream that I prefered being awake kept creeping into my sleepstate. Fuck that shit. High doses of scoplomine, atropine, and hyoscyamine.. tripping so hard you're talking to peoplle that don't exist "here" but that do, talking on the phone that's not "there" to "someone" you "not legging go" for two days and living that world is tiresome and scary as shit. I don't get people that enjoy Datura, I think Carlos Castanada was both a genius and a nut.

Lol! I'm sitting here comtemplating whether I'm brave enough today now that my friend's sober to enter DMTworld, haha. t7 and deem and now strong salvia and K and PCP proper all fascinate me, but I need to confess porkstock and Writer, I broke down last night and today for another hurrah! and took an 800mg piracetam, an hour later I drank a 2c-x 5 Hour Energy sip or two when the Molly was coming on, then i said fuck it and drank the whole thing... then about 45 minutes later I looked up and it was 4.5 hours later, I'd been sitting in a meditative trance, I've never been able to meditate in my life but have seriously considering living in Molly + the rest of the world that's not the USFUCKINA? Syria and India and Cambodia and Nepal all sounded interesting, even Madagascar, but once diving into the topic, India seems to be the most accecaple here... anyway, off topic, so I drank alllll the 2ce/2cb + caffeine and piracetam together, fuck an "A", with Molly I seriously attained Nirvana for about 30 minutes in after drinking the 2cx mixture. Wow. I took another 75mg Molly when I became coherent again, which heightenend the high for the rest of the night but I remained calm throughout (not all that I've got, but the most at onetime and showed my fear and respect of Molly. the Molly an Extra Strength caffeine 5 Hour Energy with 35mg of 2ce and 45mg of 2cb plus parachuted 160mg Molly, then, an hour and a half later after attaining that Tabula Rasa, I'm not shitting, for 4.5 hours where I was present, but not interested in my hallucinations, my body, my thoughts... Tabula Rasa, nothingness became peace. It is all a charade, and that's all of puzzling, frustrating, exciting, curious, and utterly peaceful at the core. I felt so amazing after my meditative state declined, but amazed that I finally realized that nothingness, Tabula Rasa is the Nirvana we seek, and it's the Purgatory we live ourselves in every moment. We cling to it because it's what we know, and yet once introduced to the other side, when given a proper state to examine the "I" reality crumbles. You get it porkstock and you do too Writer, so do GB and TNS and GM. We all just go about it in different ways. As TNS says, different tokes... just have a SOBER SITTER for deem and stong salvia!!! Try to be as witchy and smart like she is and stay safe, that's the best way to enjoy it she REALLY gets it!!!

So I'm still afraid to take the bowl of deem waitin' for me. Once I came down from the 2ce/2cb an began to 'normalize', I took 50mg oral of t2 based on TNS's claim of that big of a dose, and I did just have an electrical shot that ran through every nerve fiber of my very being. So I'm flying in a great way, t2 at really high doses is very cerebral and insightgful if you let your fears go and realize that nothing is real. Strawberry Fields Forever man!

Oh yeah, I should add I saw this movie called 'The Experiment' where a group of civilians are segregated as inmates afwully treated by men who a few days ago were civil to them, but with percieved power they became malicious and contentious and just evil. It was very similar to 'A Clockwork Orange', India, ashrams, yogis, meditation... I truly think it's something I must compellingly do, I must go to India and study under a yogi in an ashram!!! With psychedelics of course

(favorite convo on HF *ever* in my book!!!)

Yes. Don't take deem in bad situations, whatever state you're in becomes intensified and uniquely singled out. Sometimes pickin' your brainz like that is a good healthy thing, other times it's just frightening as fuck... wow.

Rulez 2: ALWAYS go until "the elves take your pipe away"... as pr0ne420 says, "if in doubt, double your dose"!!!

(really favorite!!!)

P.S. A few hours later and I'm still uncertain if I am ready for dmt today, heh...

 

INDEED!!! I am quite thankful to the Salvia Gnome who introduced me to the world of salvia divinorum properly; yes it's the standardized with a guarantee of (I think?) 60mg Salvinorin-A/gram of salvia. That's a heavy hitter from what I know. I haven't got any yet, but it's on my grocery list

 

Admittedly I did not have the patience to read through the past few posts. However. I feel that in the vain of responsible representation even having not tried DMT, I have to say that in my opinion calling something the 'spirit molecule' is incredibly ridiculous.

I say ridiculous, I don't mean in it's true sense that it wouldn't make sense to anyone. I mean this in the sense that when addicted to a substance someone can justify their use by recalling a number of positive effects, being 'more sociable' 'making new friends' 'talking about things you have never discussed on such a level with people before'.

I realise that those example do not apply to DMT, I understand DMT. I just purely think for the impression of people reading this thread that I should voice my opinion that to talk up drugs in any way may merely be justification as you could never know how you would have been/felt without taking them. Therefore to class something as a medicene or an amazing spiritual experience becomes perhaps mere justification.

Notice I do not belittle the DMT experience nor anything else like it. I do not fully understand it having never been there. I purely express my opinion as an opposing body of thought to whats out there (here).

eace:

 

yeah, i think it's kinda silly to call it the Spirit Molecule as well.

hell, cosmo, that is one hell of a dose...

first time combining 2ce and 2cb? that's one of the combo's i may actually try one day. and either of the two with LSD.

 

I just did 75 mg DMT yesterday too. Put it on about 4-5 screens in a 2 foot bong. Took one hit which melted it into the screens, then took a second hit which was too big and made me cough, making it kind of hard to breathe for the first part of my trip, which certainly didnt help the trip. I was with some friends, and I was sitting on a couch with a coffee table in front of me. When i get really fucked up on DMT I have to lay down. So I layed down but there was the coffee table and all this shit in the way. I kept asking people to help me lay down but they were like you're already laying down! Apparently i kept moving under the coffee table but I wasn't aware. I didnt' know which direction was up and sometimes i felt like i was on the edge of something about to fall off to the ground, though i may have already been on the ground. Then I got some shit in my mouth which I couldn't get out for a while, and with some direction from my friends i got to the bathroom to rinse my hands and someone gave me some water i swished my mouth out and spat the water on myself cause I didnt give3 a fuck just wanted that fuckin shit from the floor out of my mouth. After that I lay down in the hallway, cause there wasn't shit around in the way, and I'd gotten that goddamn shit outa my mouth. At that point I was able to finally start enjoying the trip. So basically, I'm thinkin that if I want to do a dose like that again, I need to be on a floor with lots of space around so I can lay down, or maybe on a bed but i'd be worried about rolling off to the floor. DMT is so fucking intense. I've snorted 113 mg DPT, and smoking 75 mg DMT was about 100 times more intense. I dont know if I react more strongly to DMT than others, which would be weird since with a lot of other psychs I have to take way more than other people to get equal effects.

Oh and on the subject of the actual thread, I prefer the visuals from 2c-e over acid. I dont mind the body load, though the initial nausea does suck. Visuals from 60 mg 2c-e are so much stronger than visuals I've ever gotten from acid, though I've never dosed very high on acid (not counting times when i eat a shit ton of acid but i did it for the past 3 days so I dont even trip from eating that much). Really, I see them as different animals that are equally enjoyable in their own ways. One of these days I'm going to have to combine a decent dose LSD with a decent dose 2c-e. That would be cool to mix the evenly geometric 3-d visuals of 2c-e with the stretchy morphy 2-d membrane type visuals of higher dose acid (I dont usualy start getting visuals with acid where stuff is moving around until like 5 hits, unless its super good acid).

 

I don't see how high dose 2ce could not seem intriguing to you. Low dose 2ce like 20 mg is like oh hey I'm feeling a fat body high with pretty much no visuals at all (unless I stop and let my eyes unfocus on a textured surface, similar lower dose acid (1-3 non super strong hits), i dont get visuals. once i let my eyes relax stuff starts shifting and morphing a little. Most people who try 20 mg and stop say that 2c-e is like a shitty version of acid. My first time doing 2c-e was probably 15 mg, didnt get any visuals at all, just some stimulation. 20 mg was as described, and after this im thinkin 2ce sucks nothin like it was hyped to be. Then I tried higher doses, and was amazed. The next time I tried 40 mg, which gives much better visuals, but still wasn't all encompassing like 60 mg was (which i did after my 40 mg experience). It wasn't until 60 mg that I felt like I had truly experienced the chemical. Also, for some reason as you go up in dose with 2ce the body load does not seem to be a problem. If you like visuals that you can barely notice then stick to low dose 2ce. If you like visuals that encompass your entire vision and exist whether or not you relax your eyes, do a higher dose of 2ce.

 

Considering my other posts tonight and general view on dosing high I hate you for this post man. It intrigues me.

 

I respect those who are willing to dose 2ce in a way that allows it to show it's true potential. +rep

 

@porkstock: Yes, last night was my first dose with e + b + m + piracetam + caffeine I truly DID achieve Nirvana, not some notion of "addictive" potential making me "think" I was in a blissful, Tabula Rasa state... that stance is so unsubstantiated dood. Then more piracetam today, more caffeine, t2, and gabapentin brought me to whole new level as well. Very analytical and hyper-aware and cerebral. These psychedelic effects are NOT simply affectation, they're just as real as reality. Once you get that, the boundaries of what's possible become so much more clear. Drugs, sure they make you happy, but that ain't a bad thing, life is chalk full of misery, and the innovation of human beings to alter consciousness has been going on since we were hunter/gatherers. Think about matriarchal ancient Egyptians or the Oracles of ancient Greece, they were ALL about the psychedelic experience. Do you really believe that shaman in Mexico smoking salvia in the mountains are escaping reality? No. They're experiencing Alternate Realities to help their villagers understand the meaning of LIFE itself. I don't who I'm addressing more: You porkstock or YOU Cheese, either way, I ain't pushin' shite on you guys, but you two are sort of downplaying the whole experience as something merely for pleasure, not for enlightenment. I still suggest doubling yer doses guys, you'll see then

@Cheese: Oh brother, as I've quoted him many, many times, as TNS says, different tokes... alcohol and meth and meph are the devil, the Spirit Molecule is *NOT* a silly coined up term, many entheogenists, psychopharmacologists, philosophers, clerics, shamans ALL feel the same about DMT, it *IS* a sentient molecule, it does represent god. That's MY opinion. It helps you realize we are all god and all one and the same in a continuum loop where time and space have no meaning. You say what would life be like had you not taken a drug? I say that having taken certain drugs, wonder drugs yes, I've opened my third eye to otherworldly possibilities, not escapism by any means, more like life-affirmation. I've become a more open, better person. I have PTSD that presents itself in many forms, so in point of fact, MDMA is *GOOD* for me to take semi-regularly, it is the ONLY proven substance to overcome the evil, deathly effects that PTSD brings upon your health. As a perk, MDMA also provides insight into to the human soul, how is that a bad thing Cheese or porkstock? It simply is not. Fuck the law and social norms, go with your gut. Your gut says drink booze, mine says drop five microdots and have a gram of Molly in 24 hours, who's getting a worse experience? I was once a drunkard too, that made me mean, cold, and indifferent. I don't drink except for the occasional absinthe on holidays. I trip regularly and get great benefit from it. I have health issues too, as I mentioned, I will and can and DO advocate eradication of headaches, back pain, stomach upset, etc. because humankind has innovated chemicals that as RooRshack has pointed, are INNOCENT, and depending upon your intentions and your usage, they are definitely beneficial and not detrimental nor destructive. Would you tell a diabetic to not take insulin shots even though the person would die without them? Yes. Terrence McKenna first coined the term "Spirit Molecule", and he's right. 'til you've tried it, don't judge, don't knock. You think it's silly, just wait until you hit hyperspace, meet "YOURSELF" for the first time and understand god. I think we have definitely opposing views, but that's okay by me

@Hallucinations: Stange, I always have to sit in one place on deem, in silence, in dim light with a sober person on stand-by. Otherwise I totally relate to your experience! Awesome man! Also, 2ce + acid is fucking amazing, especially with Molly thrown in!!! I know that you're just as hard a hardhead as me, YOU CAN DOOO EEET BRO! LOL! +1 rep from me too buddy! Thanks for sharing, sounds like you've had a wicked several days!!!

EDIT: Fuck it! I've been sitting on my bowl of DMT all damned day, here I go into hyperspace instead of just talking it up, bye byezzz for a whilezzz!!! Wheee!

 

Cosmo I think you are presuming that I'm a drunkard in the same way I might presume you're just fucking mad for psychedelic drugs, and I mean that in the least offensive way possible you know as well as I do the combinations and things are pretty rare and pushing the boundaries of the psychedelic experience. I do not view you in that way at all, period.

Please do not judge my thoughts as a drunkard trying to desperately understand psychs, this is simply not the way that it is.
Fuck social norms yes. But don't fuck the value gained from adhering to social norms.

Peace man, this post isn't meant to sound oppositional if it does.

Especially considering your edit:
Let me put it plain and simple I love you man.

 

Awww, don't take it that way, I'm not calling you a drunkard, I used your word... I'm sorry if it came across offensive. And yes, I know for a fact from countless Interwebz searches I've pioneered several combinations at extreme doses of psychedelics that most, if not all, people have typically never, ever done. I enjoy pushing the limits of this reality, so I actually do identify as 'mad for psychedelic drugs', lol, it's something I truly cherish in my heart of hearts <3
I do disagree from a Colletivist standpoint about the value supposedly intrinsic to social norms; I won't conform, I don't give two turds who thinks I'm a freak of nature. Maybe I am? Fuck the worldview on outliers. I live by my own laws and that. Is. That. Social norms have no place nor biz in MY life, lol. It's kewl if that works for you, some peeps need inherent structure. I devalue structure, I'm a minimalist, I don't cherish material goods much at all. I cherish art, experience, learning, reading, music, culture, interaction with others, sex, friendship, altered states, memories, love... those things matter *TO ME*, not much else does. But as we agreed in the Bump thread, agree to disagree and no apologies are necessary, I see that you have a point to raise and this is a free speech forum, but dood, as I mentioned, most folks who are part of this community are responsible, maybe peeps looking in for info are not so much... but any post by Writer, me, GM, GB, p0ly, TNS, Hallucinations... people will see that we suggest, not push. People will have free will to choose whether or not to dose 50+mg 2ce, I suggest they do given they're ready for a heavy night! Also, not one person I've mentioned including myself won't own up to negative effects of overuse, etc. We are a rational bunch of nutjobs here :devil:

EDIT: Much love to you too man, namaste amigo!

 

Indeed Unless, of course, we are referring to my past use of xanax; in which case, I am highly irrational.

 

+++3 for having solidified my argument! See now Cheese, TNS just owned up to a negative effect of a drug, just like I said us clowns around here dooo! Oh boy TNS, I've had some real doozer experiences myself. Like I've mentioned before, trippin' in fuckin' jail is HELL ON EARTH! LOL!