27 Dead in Mass Shooting at Elementary School in Newton, CT

The guns the shooter used belonged to his mother. If his mother had more and better guns, she might have been able to protect herself from him.

Somehow that doesn't sound right.

 

Brutal video games are not for kids. It is shops/parents fault.

 

All the kids were killed by a .223 Bushmaster assault weapon owned by the shooters mother. he also had two handguns that were his mothers. What kind of mother is that?

 

I have the civilian model Ruger 223 -wooden stock-for target shooting only. It is a FEARSOME and devastating weapon. Those poor little ones.

 

There was a bomb threat at the church this morning:

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/12/church_where_school_shooter_so.html

 

Peter Lanza, father of Adam Lanza, is the TAX DIRECTOR for General Electric and was rumored to be testifying in the Libor scandal trials.

The Batman shooter's father worked for FICO and was going to testify in the Libor scandal trial.

 

'coughs'

 

e7m8 -

The one aspect about him I have read, and I think we can safely say is true, is that he had a personality disorder.
It isn't very specific - I admit, but I would put him under that particular umbrella.

Unless he has left some sort of manifesto/diary - it's completely impossible to determin why he did what he did.
It doesn't have to have an ounce of legitimacy, but and least we would know what was going on in his head.

I agree.
I wasn't wishing to say otherwise.
It doesn't matter what environment you live in - people react/respond/perceive their lives differently.
I have brothers, and we are very different people.
I only mention his brother because It seemed as if you were saying that if you have a good life etc - you'll not turn to violence.
Your further post reflects the fact you don't think that. Correct?

I really don't think you can point to a persons environment to explain why they do x, y or z.
There is only one person who may know what is going on in their heads.
It doesn't mean they always have control over what they do, though.

I do think there are more social/economic pressures living in the US - regardless of your status.
I do think there are more triggers for a psychotic break living in America.
Perhaps even the culture is different, too.
Everything is ramped up to 11, where as here it's probably a sedate 6.



Spot the difference.

Just the fact people walk around with guns like it's the wild west is one massive difference.
But ultimately the only rationale for these types of things is what is going on in an individuals head - and that person could be living anywhere on the planet, pretty much.
They can blame this that and the other - but it's only how they react to their particular environment, and how they perceive the world, imho.

I know. It's not really the same thing, though. I do accept we don't live in the Hobbits shire. The riots were a good e.g of various different people who all decided to riot/steal etc - and society decided the cause was a 'broken society'.
Which is BS, really.
As people living in exactly the same street/city etc chose not to rob their neighbours or burn there community down.
It was entirely down to what was going on in an individuals head.

 

and its entirely down to what goes on in these individuals heads as well..



for the people saying we should ban guns, should we also ban cars, cuz those kill a lot of people each year too

 

There's no reason for anyone to own a semi-automatic rifle. You can't use it for hunting, its complete overkill for self-defense.

I don't really mind guns. I grew up around guns, many people I know own guns - including semi-automatics. But I think if we're going to allow people to own semi-automatic rifles we might as well extend the right to bear arms to grenades and bombs, because they can be just as destructive.

I keep hearing people say "don't ban guns, put armed guards in every school!"

When someone walks in with a semi-automatic rifle, what kind of chance does an armed guard have in taking him out first?

 

Well, yes you can. When it was legal to own the SKK T63 down under I know of literally hundreds of people who would hunt goats and pigs with them, myself included. Not to mention people who hunt various game with semi-auto shotguns.

 

Great minds...etc.

I don't think the US should ban guns, just remove the apparent God given right Americans think they have to own them.

 

It will be a COLD DAY IN HELL when i give up my airsoft gun

 

I actually thought it was illegal to use them to hunt here but I looked it up and appearantly it is legal....so I do stand corrected. And I'm no hunter but I don't really see why it would ever be neccessary to use them for hunting. I don't think a ban would really hurt hunters. I know several people that hunt and they don't use semi-automatic rifles so it wouldn't effect them at all.

 

:tongue:

 

Many states do allow hunting with "semi-automatics" -- some specify "plugging" so that such weapons will hold not more than a specified number of rounds in their magazines.

When it comes to defending my life or the lives of my family, there's no such thing as "overkill" -- I'm fairly certain you might feel the same should the situation ever arise.

 

I have a big black German Shepherd mix. We all use different means of defense

I did say in a later post that I was wrong in thinking they were illegal for hunting.

If there is no such thing as overkill you believe you should have a grenade to protect your family? A bomb? A nuclear bomb? Where does one draw the line?

 

That's actually the difficulty. If you ban semi-auto rifles, logically SA shotguns go too. But what about pump guns? Pretty much as fast, and the same calibres...so do they go?

What about bolt guns? The SMLE was so quick to repeat that the Germans thought all the Brits had machine guns for the first few months of trench engagements in WW1.

Do we regulate magazine capacity? How does having 10 shots make the gun less dangerous than 20?

What about power? Do we limit the energy that the calibre can generate? If so, how do we control it?

And most importantly, how do you keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Here in Australia we've had a spate of bikie shootings (you guys in the US call 'em outlaw bikers) and you can bet those people don't have permits and licenses.

I don't know the answers.

 

It is a very murky debate. I'm not sure anyone has a clear answer.

violence is inherent to human nature so any solution, be it mental health or gun related can only at the very best help lessen the occurence of violent incidents.

 

I do hope that you nor anyone else ever has to defend their lives by violent means.

As for drawing the line -- it all depends on the threat -- I draw it between my life and that of those treatening it.