25 Million Dollars, it must be true.....

Proximo you quite obviously have some severe mental issues that need to be addressed. I have been looking at your radical mental delussions and recomend that you seek out an emergency room immediately. I'm sure this is not the first time you have heard this in your pathetic little life. Your hostility toward those that don't buy into your bullshit (for lack of a better word) is borderline psychotic and should be addressed with the proper authorities. You are a danger to yourself and others.

 

Your bluff doesn't cut it...you know exactly what I'm talking about with my previous reference to "Creation Science".

"deceived"...by satan, naturally.

As I've told you before, watch the "fucks"...you're not representing your faith very well with that potty mouth.

Pardon me...I didn't know Christianity invented the modern scientific method because no professor ever taught that in all the science courses I took in two years of pre-med, major in anthropology and archaeology, and then more science on through a degree in architecture...but then all those godless commie college professors would naturally take pains never to mention Christianity and Science in the same breath.

You haven't said anything new there...you just put a positive spin on what I said about some Christians working to discredit anything that doesn't support a literal interpretation of Genesis.

I've never had a problem with the fact that places and events mentioned in the Bible have been verified as historic...but that doesn't equal 100% across-the-board literal accuracy.

I told you already...in my opinion, evolution is a theory, supported by a large amount of religion-independent scientific research. Others will disagree as you do, calling it total bullshit, and yet others will call it an indisputable fact.

Expensive hightech documentaries don't make evolution a fact any more than a $25 mil themepark validates creation science.

I've notice a recurring theme in your posts: a receptive attitude toward evolutionary theory as a product of sound science indicates a belief in a "non-judgmental God" and a desire for validation of that belief...a cherished stereotype of yours, perhaps?

Well, I guess I am a member of the brainwashed hordes who were taught that evolution was a rather vague notion that had been around for two or three thousand years before Charles Darwin took his voyage and wrote The Origin of Species...a work which brought this idea into focus and did have some noticeable effect on the scientific community.

 

Id suggest you are bluffing but the scary thing is that Im now sure you actually believe this nonsense.

Dont bore me with stupid 'fundie' characters invented to give college kids a sense of assurance.

WTF?

It still suprises me (and by now it shouldnt) that you could get through those courses and never even realise that modern science comes directly out of Christianity.
University itself is a Christian invention.
It boggles my mind to see students attending a University which still has a Christian belltower and they never even stopped to wonder why.

But now you know better.
Id strongly suggest you get outraged and take up the issue with your commie professors.

Seriously.. where the fuck did you think the modern scientific method came from.
Think about that before answering.

It is positive when real scientific investigations discredit pseudoscience.
The fact that naturalistic evolutionism is damaged and Genesis validated is what happens when we are enlightened.

No, it doesnt.
What it does do is continue adding reliablity to the text.
Because five claims are proven out does not *therefore* mean the sixth claim will,
but,
yes it does give us good reason to believe six is worth persuing.

Yes you are brainwashed.
Im convinced of that.
Putting aside accusations that Darwin did steal the idea from one of his peers,
The Evolutionism Creation Myth that we know today comes in right about there.
It has since been debunked but then again thats the crazy thing about Evolutionism.
It does indeed morph and evolve and change as it can and wants to.
No, it has not been around for two or three thousand years.
Why would you say that?

 

Any belief has validity simply by power of the belief existing.
But the young earth theory has yet to show a hint of any credibility. There are endless supplies of things on this earth that are older than 6,000 years old...along with the rest of the universe. Humans could not have evolved into what we are in 6,000 years - and the fossil record seems to insist we did evolve.

The 'it was all created as a test/the devil did it' argument doesn't hold much weight, because whereas many biblical stories can be semi-verified by discoveries we've made (Jesus' life, the Flood, etc), not a speck of evidence has surfaced to suggest 'Young Earth' is even feasible, much less likely. Young Earth Creationism is being blocked from classrooms for the same reason that scientology and just about every other theology is - there is no factual evidence to support them. It doesn't mean they are invalid beliefs, they are simply not meant for a science classroom.
I do believe schools should have a class which covers all belief systems, be they Pagan, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, and so on down the line...and Young Earth should be given due time in there, just like anything else.

...until that day, though, you'll probably find more evidence supporting the Flying Spaghetti Monster than Young Earth.

 

ElProx...continuing to discuss with you is like pissing in the wind. You only address the parts of my posts and those of others that you care to while ignoring what you can't answer or don't want to venture an answer on, and your continual use of an abusive tone and excessive bad language does nothing but diminish you as a representative of your faith.

You are the one who is brainwashed to the max...anyone who takes the Genesis story as literal truth is in a time warp of wishful thinking and denial.

 

Classic Evolutionist 'reasoning'.
We DID evolve for millions of years (assumption) so therefore the Earth must be millions of years old,
Because,
We evolved for millions of years.

Note:
No, the fossil record insists that mass amounts of critters were rapidly buried in sediment.
It does not indicate evolutionism happened and it all but is the final nail in the coffin for anyone thinking it did.

Take that fake theory and throw that fucking piece of stupid shit down a toilet so NONE OF US ever has to hear that bullshit again.
Thats the most ignorant anticreationist propaganda and you should be pissed off that someone tricked you into thinking Creationists believe that.

I would ask you why did God put Fossils in the Earth... to test your faith in Evolutionism.
Seriously,
Come on.

Another victory for the EvoPriests - delibertaly confusing you about what happened.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN THEORY was censored by Naturalistic Evofundies so teens would not know that it is already a Scientific Theory.
Which it is whether you or I like it or not.

Young Earth Creationism NEVER was involved in that courtroom tactic.

We were just discussing (in another forum here) how long it would take before the idiots and the 'FSM' would realise the whole thing makes a joke on them.
It backfires right on them.
You seem to have been left out of the loop on that.

 

Yes, I get it - you give up.
The important thing is that you tried.
Poorly.
Thx

 

No...you don't "get" anything. I'll be back...just taking a breather.

Poorly, eh? That describes perfectly how you represent your supposed faith.

Suggestions...I've made some of them before, try to listen this time:

Clean up your language...it's very un-Christian to use variations on "fuck" as often as you do.

Don't insult other members by callling them morons, idiots, a-holes, and so on.

You really seem to have an anger-management problem. Is this the way you behave person-to-person, as well as online? If so, I'd have a hard time imagining that you could even hold down a job. Get some professional help..there are plenty of effective psychiatric medications available.

 

And yet here you are using a computer - a production of the very science you hate so much. Maybe you need to evolve.

 

I see you are keeping a list and adding some of your own to attribute to me (underlined)

So again, I ask you whether or not you are really interested in my manners and the sensitivities of the morons and idiots..
OR
Are you realy just working on the way to censor me later on?

 

What discoveries have we made that support Jesus life? I mean external to the bible.

 

No, I'm going to to try and get you banned. It's a free country, and this is a free speech board.

Actually, combative guys like you make things interesting. You know your stuff, but your manners...or lack of them...a little too over the top a lot of the time.

My suggestions were sincerely made.

You didn't call someone an a-hole? My mistake.

 

I love Science.
Modern Science came out of Christian Europe.
All Creationists at the time too.
(Actually everyone was everywhere for that matter)

Interestingly, I have a wall of IT Certs too.
So I must have loved computers at some point.

Why are you against science?
Is it because it militates against your favourite world view?
You hate the fact that Science finds an Intelligent Designer as the best and most likely cause of complex working information.
You hate that so much you want to use technicalities in court proceeding to ban schoolchildren from knowing about it?

 

I appreciate that and well taken,
Hmmm... calling someone an 'A-hole' sounds familiar but I dont think it was a member.
Probably in reference to Richards Dawkins, who really is an asshole.

 

I am not against science in so far as it helps us build a better world - a world free of illogical primitive and savage belief systems.

To say that science came out of christian europe is true to an extent. However, it was despite rather than because of c/anity that it emerged. Look for instance at the case of Galileo, who was forced by christians to recant his true observation that the earth circles the sun under threat of physical torture.
The reason the inhabitanbts of medieval europe were creationists is because they knew no better. They knew very little about the actual structure of the universe - they didn't even know about the real causes of disease, believing it to be caused by 'devils'.
Science has given us true knowledge which ancient texts are quite incapable of delivering, as they were written by ignorant men in an age of superstition and ignorance.

It seems to me that christians take on board the bits of science which are useful to them, whilst rejecting what they don't like. A very unscientific attitude, which is base entirely on emotionalism.

However - my main objection to this so called museum is as I've already said that it is a waste of money. 50 million days survival money for third worlders being wasted by those who already have too much.

 

Galileo was a devout Roman Catholic Christian.
He is one of the founding fathers of modern science and he was supported and encouraged by the Church itself.

Go read up on Galileo and why he got into shit with his friend the Pope.

Ermmm.. The Roman Empire had astonishing advances in medicine and the natural sciences.
Thats just based on what we do know about them.
Maybe read up on that too.

How righteous you really are!
That Museum is going to promote Christianity and that is a group that only delivers billions of dollars of aid to third world countries.

How much have you sent?

 

With friends like those, who needs enemies? They threatened the man with torture unless he recanted. If the wonderful church had had its way, we'd still believe in a flat earth.

Actually, Roman medicine was quite primitive by modern standards. They had no idea for example about the existence of bacteria - without which any system of medicine is going to be pretty rudimentary. And remember, it wasn't the Romans who wrote the bible, at least the OT, but a bunch of sheep hearders.

I don't claim to be 'righteous' - I leave that to christians etc, who seem to have an almost pathological need to see themsleves as righteous.
I have donated my share to good causes over the years, and also done work to promote human rights issues - but I don't see a fantasy museum as anything more than an extension of disneyland.

 

ElProx....

How do you reconcile the fact that light from the stars have been shining billions of years? How does this play into your young earth <cof> theory? We know that it takes 8 minutes and 30 seconds (give or take a couple seconds) just for the light from our sun to reach us. If it was to blow up right now, you wouldn't know for 8.5 minutes later. With out nearest spiral galaxy neighbor Andromeda 2 million lightyears away, what ever light we see today, took 2 million years to get here. When we see it in a telescope, we are looking at Andromeda and how it looked 2 million years ago.

How does your bible explain this?

 

I wonder how many people 25 mil could feed?
I wonder if the J-man would be okay spending 25 mil on a museum?

 

Thats an interesting question.
Genesis describes creation from the 'Earths Concern' and when you have heavenly bodies made for Mankind you can be sure this means they and their light is created visible and as it will be.
btw.. this same principle applies to Adam and Eve for example: They are created 'as adults'.
I have heard this refered to as the 'In Transit' theory.

Whats intriguing me more is the Russel Humpheys theories.
Starlight and Time
Russell Humphreys, a young Earth creationist and a nuclear physicist, wrote a book called Starlight and Time: Solving the Puzzle of Distant Starlight in a Young Universe, which attempts to explain the starlight problem to the lay person along with his ideas of how a young earth and universe can fit in with the distant starlight problem.
This image is a Galaxy Evolution Explorer observation of the large galaxy in Andromeda, Messier 31.
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This image is a Galaxy Evolution Explorer observation of the large galaxy in Andromeda, Messier 31.

Dr. Humphreys claims that the "deep" of Genesis 1, verse 2, started within a black hole. This was due to the size of the deep (containing the matter of the universe) and the gravitational force that it would exert. God then, by his divine power and direct intervention, stretched out space causing the ball of matter to expand rapidly thus changing the black hole to a white hole. There are numerous biblical references to God stretching out the heavens (e.g. Jeremiah 10:12, Job 9:8, Zechariah 12:1). As God stretches out the heavens, the ball of matter expands and the matter becomes less dense. The "waters above the expanse" eventually reach and pass beyond the event horizon which now shrinks due to the reduction of matter within it. On day four God creates the stars and all the heavenly bodies and the event horizon finally reaches earth so that, suddenly, from an earth perspective, all the heavens are visible. When Adam and Eve gaze up on day six they can see the Milky Way, the Andromeda Galaxy, and all the wonders of the heavens.

There are a number of scientists who have this theory that suggests that the point where we see 'The Earth without Form and Void' could very well be a billion year period.
One way to look at that - Time (and remember there is no people yet) is really of no consequence.
A billion or 10 Trillion.
Would mean nothing one way or another from a God perspective.

Me?
Meh... I suppose if you want to believe that the 'Void' was there a billion years then I cant see why not.