218. Chemtrail and covert climate war (4/4/04)

I can't differentiate because I don't believe in chemtrails. The supposed chemtrail in your pic looks like it is from an acrobatic plane, so yes, they burn diesel behind them to make smoke on purpose, some have dyes to make them to make coloured smoke.

Contrails from the wings disappear faster than exhaust contrails. When a plane burns fuel, some water is leftover and forms water vapour or ice behind it, because it is colder up there.

My hubby is a pilot and has been working around planes for many years.

As for the biased pics from the conspiracy theory websites....there is likely a VHF Omnidirectional Range Station under those places, for pilots flying with instruments. Planes don't just fly from city to city in straight lines. Instrument flying is different. They fly along Victor Airways which are like roads in the sky from checkpoint to checkpoint to maintain order and keep things safe. So yes, there will be several lines over some areas.

No one is spraying anything to alter the weather any more that cars are spraying anything when they leave exhaust.

 

..........lol, looks like marcus's"the author" service's are no longer needed .......http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20051104/headline3.html..guess we'll never get to read his part#2

 

You don't. Many people do. So what?

So you're saying all the pictures I posted came from aerobatic planes?

When a plane burns fuel?

Any plane flying in the sky is burning fuel. If it was simply a matter of exhaust, this phenomenon would be seen with every plane, would it not?

Big freaking deal!

Most pilots are not aware of what's going on, so they, like most people, immediately dismiss it as "conspiracy theory."

At the same time, a multitude of military and ex-military pilots have come forth supporting what I am talking sbout.

Keep things safe? What a fucking joke!

If they were "keeping things safe," then where the hell were they on 9/11?

OK. You obviously have not researched the subject, but I will just stop questioning things because, according to you, everything is OK. You know, so the end of story.

Besides, your "hubby" is a pilot, so he would know.

Eveything is fine. The government loves you. There is no such thing as conspiracies.

 

No.

No. Do you always see the exhaust from every car? It is not always cold enough, and when an airplane is high enough to leave condesation from the engines the plane itself is barely visible.

A multitude? And they are not being hushed? Sounds real secret to me....
Ex-military are not known for their mental stability.

wtf? What do suicide terrrorists have to do with flying by instruments?

I didn't say there was no such thing as conspiracy. And as for the government loving me, I am not American.

 

normaly i wouldn't either, but considering who were talking about here, i mean i've yet to see anything that would be past either of them.

blair might have a conscounse at some point, but rumsfield and rove, the mad cowboy's puppet masters, have yet to demonstrate the slightest inkling of what one is.

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353. Hurricane (3) Chemical and Greece air accident (10/27/05)

When I said Hurricane Katrina and Rita were created by Feds for a framed case, there were sarcasms such like "You mean government has a weather machine?", or "to create a hurricane with a fan?". Those people, either are very ignorant, or most likely, to smear a truth on purpose. Government doesn't use an oven to produce a warm weather or use a fan to blow wind, just like they don't sprinkle the water to make an artificial rain. They use chemical. (see #218. Chemtrail and climate war)

Control climate generally means control the movement of air stream. By controlling area air pressure or temperature, people can build artificial air passage or air wall, (of course, invisible, but sometimes people saw the chemtrail in the sky) guide the air mass move to area they want. Either it is cold air mass, or warm air mass, or humid or dry air mass.
Now let's turn on to the crash of Greece air plane which I alleged one of four accidents done by intelligence. It caused my attention for its mysterious situation. Here are news about it.

Quote, "YAHOO NEWS:
Cypriot plane crashes near Athens, 121 killed
By Yannis Behrakis

A Cypriot airliner crashed into a mountainous area north of Athens on Sunday killing all 121 people on board after apparently suffering a loss of cabin pressure or oxygen.

"The pilot has turned blue," a passenger said in a mobile text message to his cousin, according to Greek television. "Cousin farewell, we're freezing." "

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=ALT.TV.LOST+FAQ+EDITION

Quote, "Greece Plane Crash Kills All Aboard

"Shortly before the crash, the jet pilots saw one of the airline pilots slumped unconscious over the controls, ...... Some Greek media reports said fighter pilots also could see oxygen masks dangling inside the cabin."

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050814052709990004&ncid=NWS00010000000001

What took place in the Greece plane seemed as follows: the cabin lost pressure, oxygen and temperature.

But it's a Boeing 737. One of the most advanced air craft. And the plane has a well designed oxygen supply and pressurization system. So far we have never heard any problem of the insulation broken which caused low pressure that killed the people on board. This was the only one.

A spokesman for the European Aviation Safety Agency, Daniel Holtgen, based in Cologne, Germany, said: "It is highly unlikely that the loss of cabin pressure alone would cause such an incident. There would have to be other contributing factors." (source, the above Yahoo News)

What were the other factors? It's a puzzle. Then it came the Katrina and Rita. In a TV news report about a research plane which flew over the hurricane, I caught what the researcher said. He said he couldn't believe it that the air pressure was incredible low outside the plane. It suddenly touched off my mind. I thought Feds spreading chemical to control the pressure of air to alter the weather. If the air pressure could be created so low to astonish the researcher, (it was in open air, air would flow from other area to refill) then what would have happened if it was in a closed cabin? I thought of the Greece plane.

I think it is a chemical which is easy to gasify and easy to react with the element part of air (either oxygen, nitrogen or carbon dioxide) and developed to another substance.(either liquid such like water, or solid) Air, after losing part of its element, has lost pressure. The chemical reaction also sucks heat.

A hurricane needs a warm air mass with rich water vapor. Ocean supplies it. A hurricane also needs big air pressure difference and temperature difference above it. This chemical supplies it. That's how an artificial hurricane developed.

When that chemical is used in a closed cabin. The low pressure and temperature it created will kill the people inside it. Oxygen may be exhausted as a component in the reaction. That's what happened in the Greece air plane.

I allege Feds used the same chemical in Greece air accident as they used in hurricane creation. It's not a coincidence when I said the four air accidents was a cover up operation of Feds and Katrina and Rita were created for the same framed case. (to be continued)

 

What chemical?
What is the motive to kill your own people? Land clearing? Genocide?
What is the motive to create extreme weather that can't be controlled?

 

and what about all the fukin money involved??? if there is any economical reason why a gov. would do this it wud be completely overshadowed by the amount of money it costs to drain and rebuild entire cities, and fix injured people. this thread seems to have completly ignored this blatant point. wtf?

 

The government has no problem spending your hard-earned tax money. Trust me.

 

the same motive governments aggree to go to war with each other to the mutual bennifit of pseudoconservatives on both sides. to prevent you from realizing how little you really need that and keep you afraid that without them in power you'd somehow have to expect your worst nightmares so that joe sheep sixpack keeps voting them back into office.

or buys the pretense of rigged elections enough to believe that many people actualy COULD have voted them back into office.

on the other hand, tecnical realities, it ain't that simple. yes con(as in condensation) trails ARE water vapour and enough of them can be made to rain. but it takes a hell of a lot and a fairly narrow window of conditions.

ariel spraying at very high altitudes is pretty hard to predict where anything is goind to end up. not totaly impossible. just not a totaly reliable exact science either.

so while i wouldn't put a game like that past the cabal we've got in there now, it's probably not one of the effective tactics available to them.

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???? what a load of crap...my god peoples imaginations are friggin working overtime..no offence like.. but come on .. I have heard some crazy terms in economics books.. but ''mutual beneficial war fare'' is slightly ridiculous imho...

So Germany and Britain were ''working together'' ?? mmmmm i think not.

 

i dont think u get it, its not just ur hard earned tax, its the money they can use on destroying other countries and buying oil that instead they wud be using to fix their own people. this is such a stupid post. goodbye

 

Rat:

Do you have anything resembling SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for the existence of "chemtrails"?

Not links from "conspiracy planet" or rense.com. Something along the lines of an investigator who has collected ACTUAL SAMPLES from the alleged chemtrails (from an aircraft or balloon), had them analyzed (by a real laboratory), and found anything like mind control agents, nerve toxins, weather modifiers, or whatever other woo-woo you conspiracists are claiming? Hell, if they have been spraying this shit for years, there should be detectable levels of whatever agent they are using EVERYWHERE by now. Unless of course, they are using something REALLY insidious, like dihydrogen monoxide...

Seriously, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. The conspiracists need to put up or shut up with this shit. If the government is actually spreading chemicals over the population, then the evidence should be there for any enterprising journalist who wants to do some real investigation. If someone were to break a story like this with real, unimpeachable scientific PROOF, they would win a freaking pulitzer prize.

So why hasn't it happened, with this "chemtrail" BS going on 20 years old now? Is EVERY journalist, media outlet, and analytical chemist part of the conspiracy?

 

Rat:

Yes, there is plenty of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. You have to be willing to do some research if you want to know the truth. If you're going to be a know-it-all and think you have all the answers, chances are you aren't going to want to do the research, but rather draw conclusions from what little you know.

Unfortunately, something like chemtrails aren't going to get the major funding that other studies get, so there is still a lot to be learned. But there is significant evidence out there from independent researchers that shows there is definitely something going on in the skies above our heads. I don't have all the answers, I am simply seeking the truth like any remotely inquisitive individual would. Try it sometime, you might learn something.

There is a wealth of documented evidence at researcher Clifford Carnicom's website:

www.carnicom.com

You can also watch his chemtrail documentary at Google video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407&q=Carnicom

Another great researcher is meterologist Scott Stevens:

http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php

Here is some video footage taken from Stevens' Weather Wars website:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=chemtrails

If you had done any research at all, you would see that air tests have turned up large quantites of aluminum and barium. Also found have been human blood cells and molds, among other things.

How about the award-winning Canadian journalist, William Thomas? Or isn't he mainstream enough for you?

http://www.willthomas.net/

Here is a speech on chemtrails that Will Thomas gave in front of an audience back in 2000, which was aired on Canadian TV:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1332178607299698024&q=William+thomas

Are you actually gullible enough to believe that the mainstream media would cover this topic in detail, without simply dismissing it as "conspiracy theory"?

Has the corporate media ever told us the truth about ANYTHING?

Actually, this has been going on since only the late 90s, so it's more like 7-8 years.

Many of the mainstream publications are funded by the elite tax-exempt foundations, so of course you're not going to read much about it, just like you're not going to read much about what really happened on 9/11 in these publications. If you actually read this thread, instead of responding like the reactionary know-it-all you are, you would have seen the article I posted from the Las Vegas Tribune. Why are you excluding this, other than for the fact that it's convenient for you?

 

If you're as dumb as you sound, I understand your conclusion.

 

I see. 2 metals that are used in the construction of JET ENGINES (and would be expected to show up in the exhaust), along with human cells and molds, which are ubiquitous in our environment (not to mention the waste holding tanks of passenger jets).

This constitutes evidence of what?

 

At least its in the "Paranoid" forum where it belongs.

 

Much better here than when they bring this kind of crap over to the Science/Technology forum....

 

dont forget to mention the fact that the author for the las vegas tribune, who wrote this story was FIRED! probably a violation of the dress code, :ie tin foil hat, cape,sword etc. etc.

 

As long as they actually get a TIN foil hat, that is.

The more common Al foil ones actually do more harm than good:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

Actually, I think the best material would be "mu-metal" or some other material designed for EM shielding.