2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

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  1. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    In Europe and Asia yes. They trust the government. Certain types of Americans are like a bitchy teenager. You told them not to do something well screw you cause you are not even their real dad! They are going to to gather and think they are so enlightened. All the sheep fall for the NWO and their gun and logical mind don't allow that. I have noticed opinions on this are divided red vs blue. Red is a teenager, blue is listening to science.

    These people are already gloating about killing for tollet paper. Any actual "big government" control or suggestion will not work.
     
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  3. srgreene

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    Yes, Asmodean, at this point it cannot be contained, although we can slow it down. I suspect almost everyone is going to be exposed to it- a large majority will suffer minimal affects. Unfortunately, some will die. I do wonder what would happen if the government informed people of the facts, urged people to take precautions, but let those (adults at least) willing to take the risk, do so. As it is, it seems to me we are letting a relatively small minority dictate what everyone else does.

    Now medical people are understandably chagrined at the prospect of letting this virus spread at its natural rate. Hospitals would be overwhelmed and would not be able to cope effectively. I understand in Northern Italy now, people over 60 are not eligible to be placed on respirators. As part of the 60+ crowd, I do not find that unreasonable.
     
  4. srgreene

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    No, in a wide variety of environments, the virus remains active longer than 3-4 weeks. What you suggest would slow the spread, but I think it would come back. We will probably be living with this a long time (although effective treatments and vaccines should become available).
     
  5. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Canada's and Australia's Olympic teams will not compete. I think that's the best example anyone can set. They clearly are taking this seriously. :)
     
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  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Japan refusing to postpone or cancel the Olympics is like VG shitting on social abstinence/distance measures on a national level: 'but the moneyyyyy...!'
     
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  7. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Well that's the leap of faith you are making at the moment
     
  8. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    At least my 'leap of faith' doesn't unneccesary endangers anybody's life.
     
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    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    351 yesterday... 442 today.

    Three more people have died, for a total of 6 now.



    (The official State report is posted at 2:00 pm eastern time.)
     
  10. Meliai

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    We're at 195 as of yesterday. I cant find updates numbers from today yet
     
  11. And look where that has gotten them.
     
  12. lode

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    Prediction: more cases in US than Italy by Sunday.
     
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  14. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Italy's in such a shape because they didn't see this coming and weren't prepared. Its not really due to a lack of malgoverning. What's your country's government doing better? They can even learn from Italy (and other hard hit regions in Europe atm like Spain). Seems a government like Germany and of my country took the hint well. At worst not quick enough, but who can blame them for that.
    Seems here the biggest threat for it getting out of hand is citizens underestimating the use of the measures taken and not give enough shits.
     
  15. Whenever you go somewhere. Hold your breath for a long time. No breathing allowed
     
  16. We're not encouraging the population to "hug a Chinese". Seriously, Italy bungled it even worse than Iran.
     
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  17. guerillabedlam

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    First death in my area today.
     
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    Red Pill or Blue Pill ..
     
  19. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    "Antigenic drift is a kind of genetic variation in viruses, arising by the accumulation of mutations in the virus genes that code for virus-surface proteins that host antibodies recognize. This results in a new strain of virus particles that is not effectively inhibited by the antibodies that prevented infection by previous strains. This makes it easier for the changed virus to spread throughout a partially immune population. Antigenic drift occurs in both influenza A and influenza B viruses.

    (Confusion can arise with two very similar terms, antigenic shift and genetic drift. Antigenic shift is a closely related process; it refers to more dramatic changes in the virus's surface proteins. Genetic drift is very different and much more broadly applicable; it refers to the gradual accumulation in any DNA sequence of random mutational changes that do not interfere with the DNA's function and thus that are not seen by natural selection.)

    The immune system recognizes viruses when antigens on the surfaces of virus particles bind to immune receptors that are specific for these antigens. These receptors can be antibodies in the bloodstream or similar proteins on the surfaces of immune-system cells. This recognition is quite precise, like a lock recognizing a key. After an infection or after vaccination, the body produces many more of these virus-specific immune receptors, which prevent re-infection by this particular strain of the virus; this is called acquired immunity. However, viral genomes are constantly mutating, producing new forms of these antigens. If one of these new forms of an antigen is sufficiently different from the old antigen, it will no longer bind to the antibodies or immune-cell receptors, allowing the mutant virus to infect people who were immune to the original strain of the virus because of prior infection or vaccination."

    Antigenic drift - Wikipedia



    The main reason influenza can't be irradicated. SARS 2 is too Similar to influenza
     
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  20. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    So, what should the Italian government have done differently?
     

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