14 Anonymous Arrested in US

Actually, sometimes there is an obligation to break the law. Perhaps you should study the Nuremberg trials following World War II, then you and Skip would both have something to study.

 

PPL who blindly follow the law and authority w/o questioning it are as just as extreme as nihilists, BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING- the controversial experiment back when they had authority figures tell ppl to provided electroshocks to innocent ppl and they did it out of obedience proves that- YOU FIND OUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN BASED ON ETHICS, CONSENT AND INDIVIDUALITY THAT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH OTHERS CONSENT, Law should only be their to protect others from having their consent taken away. Other than that, stay the fuck outta our business

If we all just blindly followed the law, children would still be working in mine shafts, black ppl would still be slaves, woman would still not be voting, I mean do you want me to continue? Law is just like power- it corrupts because of all the lemmings that NEED it to guide them bec they can't define their own principles, self identity and aren't intelligent enogh to define for themselves right from wrong and moral relativelity and are more focused on POLITICS than philosophy and sociology and psychology-that's where the emphsis should be

 

self righteous crusades also got alot of people killed.... i predict the anonymous's "mob mentality" [ironicly?] is going to get alot of people arrested for white collar crimes.

doesnt anon have some motto that says they are not or condone any single persons action. yet they feel they have a moral obligation to support a single individual when it suits their interests to gain a "righteous" reputation. Anon is, as they say, a walking contradiction.

 

why doesn't anon hack google or Facebook if they want to be sooo righteous?
its obvious google/facebook are becoming the medium of choice for "big brother" to spy on the sheeple.

 

ok now that i read an article that ISNT the one in the OP nor is as politically bias as the OP, Anon's logic makes more sense.
http://www.businessinsider.com/anonymous-strikes-another-blow-for-freedom-2011-7

skip, dont let you're opinions and emotion over shadow your reasoning and objective logic mr. freedom fighter. [sarcasm intended]

like granny said "you loose credibility when you throw out rediculous blanket statements". in that case you thought [or think] its the OBAMA administration doing all these things as if obama is the actual mastermind. look at the whole picture bro, obama and all the presidents are merely scapegoats and brand names for the corporation that is the government.

 

anonymous will not be taken down. There are now too many people involved.

 

You guys know absolutely nothing about what we do. If you have fingers to point. You should point them at Lulzsec and Anonymous.
THEY are doing the USA a favor with the CIA job. Let them do their job like they have been ordered to do and you will see what happens.
Anonymous and Lulzsec are just like the government. There are things we dont tell people because the public will freak out.
You will never catch us all and we will never be brought down.
There are people ranging from 12yrs old to 70yrs old working for us out of there own free will just as I am.
I will let you guys know what you will be seeing though. The next attack is on your stupid democratic and republican political assholes. Their stupid mistakes and inability to get along is fucking up this country. Our plan is to ruin their lives just like they are going to ruin the millions of peoples lives in the United States and world. The world needs to learn how to get along and they are refusing to cut the shit and fix this economic breakdown.

You will see. Just keep your eyes open and let them do there job. Yes hacking is wrong, but just like you people that smoke pot that think you are doing nothing wrong. There is a wrong way to break the law and a right way. Just comes down to who has the bigger balls. The government and these big companies think they are unstoppable. They think they can walk all over us.

Be patient my fellow anons.

Knowledge is free.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.

Expect us.

 

ugggh.
granny,
First I want to admit that I probably know quite a bit less about this stuff than others on this board.

But I would like to offer my take.
The difference between these hackers' activities being considered a crimial act and one of civil disobedience is the purpose they are doing this.

They are not interested in direct personal gain.
They are doing this to make a point. Although I will admit that so far I am not satisfied w/ the results. As I said in a previous post, they have yet to uncover serious damning evidence against any of the companies they've hacked.

It's much different from other hackers who gain and sell private information and then sell it to identity theives. Or even hackers who sell private info as mailing lists to companies.

This is the reason their activities are termed hacktivism.

 

When I first learned of the group and started to read about them I was hoping or expecting read corporate emails about price fixing, collusion, holding economies hostage, etc...

So to me having proof that security is extremely lax isn't such a revelation.
In terms of security , i'm kind of a low level worker in IT but in the department we're all very aware of security being lax at every level of every organization. From file clerks, to CEOs and surprisingly even IT security officers. We see all kinds of very simple passwords posted to their monitors.

But absolutely for a group to oepn show this, for them to be considered criminals just seems so archaic. And IMO those who agree they're criminals really do not understand technology.

Yes!!! I was having a very similar conversation w/ someone else about how IMO politicians should be held to a much higher standard of ethics than the consituents. I don't give a rats ass that they're 'only human'.
You wanna run for office, you better make sure any skeletons in your closet are from when you were 16 yo. If we expected a higher standard from them, only those who have a higher standard of themselves would run for office.

 

Oh yeah, you got that right!

 

Our government is nothing more than a Public Relations department for the banking, pharma, and energy cartel. Vote for whomever you like - I'm starting to think it doesn't matter. Or maybe that's exactly how they want us to feel.

 

http://theyesmen.org/

These fellows have a more subtle approach, but I think it's equally effective at this point. Anonymous wouldn't be necessary if we actually had a free press in the country. Newspapers, news networks - they answer to the advertisers and we all know who they are.

 

You can have the best will in the world these days but rest assured people's incomplete mental toolset will bog down the issue at hand. People will get caught up in semantics and completely miss the importance of the issue, people will somehow believe their opinion is worth something when it NEVER is and NEVER HAS BEEN.

This site has really been disappointing me lately. For some reason, I thought that the people here were open-minded, I thought they knew "what's up", I thought the people here could look past the superficial nature of modern society's conditioning and express some profundity as a result. I was so wrong, for the most part. So, so wrong. Most of the people here are in the same pathetic mindset that has bred the cancer of man on Earth, the mindset that has allowed tyranny to reign and the mindset that calls for groups like anonymous as medicine.

You might not understand it, you might not like it as a result of you not understanding it BUT that doesn not mean it is bad. Go back to square one and start to understand our society from its roots, then from the top down. Go and teach yourselves, learn something useful. We should all remember how bad our education has been (especially those in the USA) and that it was not in fact education, not enlightening us but was in fact conditioning, keeping us in the dark.

For those of you that think our rights are somehow given to us, for those of you that somehow think people fighting for freedom is wrong, for those of you that believe the fake picture of this world as it is presented, despite extremely compelling evidence to the contrary, I prey. I am not religious but I prey harder and harder every night for you people, I prey that my disappointment in you is misplaced, I prey that your eyes can be opened and you can bask in the glow of your own independence. Prayers, however, are seldom answered.

Seriously, go back to the beginning and learn it all again from scratch but take a step back, don't let it become you.

MASS FUCKING MENTAL ILLNESS IS WHAT IT IS. More than ever I beckon the bomb.

 

People really need to stop bringing the law into this issue. If the governments and corporations that need rebelling against adhered to the law that they enforce then it would apply. As they do not, it doesn't count for shit and illegality is now fair game.

"Oooh hacking is illegal and stealing information is a crime too" KILLING PEOPLE is a crime, which they do a lot and support a lot. Subjecting people to slavery is (or is meant to be) a crime, especially when the conditions they work under are extremely harmful and unfair! Anonymous' crimes and the harm they have done to innocents is a mole hill to global governments' mountain range. It is sad that it is beyond the point where nobody will be harmed to solve the issues of mankind but it must be accepted that it is most certainly beyond that point. Sometimes the innocents must be shocked into awakening, sometimes they must be driven away from their corporate masters with fear because they do not understand the harm they are doing to their world and fellow humans. They will never understand unless they get a damn good shock and shake to knock that wool off from over their eyes.

This game of human liberation we are playing is puttig me in mind of the animal liberation movement. Otherwise good people who are very cruel and thoughtless towards animals for money must sometimes be taken to very scary, violent places before they understand their wrongs and stop the harm they are doing. What anonymous are doing, what all the protestors all over the world are doing, what we will all be driven to do someday, is akin to the animal rights activists cuttin the fences of, smashing the windows of and sending death threats to the owners of the fur farms, copishe?

 

Damn Right!

 

you lose credibility when you equate Hacking to murder and slavery.
a crime is a crime correct ? in the law's eyes it is, but even in the laws eyes slavery and hacking are no where in the same league.

if you're going to use an arguement like that you must say or acknowledge that you are commiting a low level crime to PREVENT an unspeakable one.

the comparison between Anon an the government is an obvious bias. i dont like the way the gov't is run as much as the next guy but if you make direct attacks at the Govt you're liable to be catagorized as "those kooks who dont like ANYTHING the govt does NO MATTER WHAT" then your actions will imply you're all a bunch of self-righteous Anarchist pricks doing what ever the hell you want. thus, Anon gets demonized further.

you're not going to get support from a ration citizen of society by doing blatenly illegal things. Rational citizens of society aren't going to think "why are they doing this stuff? HHmmmm" they are going see "you're trying to steall our shit so you're going to prison!"

if you want to be taken seriously as intellectuals you cant be doing stupid petty shit like "smashing windows and sending death threats" like dumbasses. figuratively of course. you have to choose your targets wisely.

an example of NOT choosing your targets wisely is the hacking of sony. you guys took down their ENTIRE network for the sake of ONE individual. thanks brah, you guys are awesome -_-