Xexon - Israel exists because G-d wants it to exist. Not because some pathetic pseudo democracy on the other side of the world thinks it should. America is a joke and you are a joke. I'm here because I have 2 kids here. When they come of age (about 13 years) I'll return to my homeland explaining to them that my parents brought me here after first grade and it was the worst thing they could have ever done to me. It is against Jewish law to leave the land of Israel once you live there. But my parents are not religious Jews.
Drew - just because people aren't the same doesn't mean you shouldn't treat them the same. See how there isn't a contradiction here? Everyone deserves the same rights - but G-d made 70 nations - and the Jews.
Israel exists because the zionists convinced a bunch of people that Jews needed a homeland. In the days after WWII, this wasn't hard to do. However the people at the UN who gave this permission were unaware of the zionist movement behind the formation of Israel. They were unable to separate zionism from Judaism. I'm not so hamstrung. There are many Jews who have nothing to do with either zionism or Israel. I suggest you browse these sites. You'll see the views of other Jews, and they will explain how zionism violates Judaism. You're on the wrong side. http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/index.cfm x
I already did, when I quoted you saying that the Jews are the master race. and that nobody is equal, and you shit on our Constitution. Then you went on to say, in this thread, thet everyone is equal and should be treated as such. I think this would be qualified as talking in circles. I think that it is also really conceited to think that anyone or anything is chosen by god, for he created everything and he has unconditional love for all things. All is One, and One is all. I remember reading somewhere that the House of Israel isnt necessarily a concrete tribe, but refers to people who live by gods laws and keep the covenant. They also said that anyone could become an Israelite by keeping the covenant and speaking directly to God. Do you speak directly to God?
There is another meaning to the word Israelite and you just hit upon it. Its basically the same as a Christ. An annointed one. Someone who is in direct communication with the divine. This definition has nothing to do with either Judaism or Israel, but as we all know, symbolism often overshadows the original meaning of things ancient. This is the definition I agree with personally. Its not a title that one gets by religious study or living in a geographical area. It's the spiritual flowering of an individual. Doesn't matter the religion at all. x
Friend - not only do I know these sites, I know the people who put them up. They are fine people. And truly G-d fearing individuals. I was trying to hint this to you before - you can't really research things on line. You have to go out and meet people from different cultures with different opinions. That's how you become diversified.
I do speak directly to G-d. Reb Nachman of Breslov (1772-1810) instructed his adherents (and I consider myself to be one of them) to verbally speak out loud to G-d every day for at least an hour as you would to a close friend, telling him all your problems and asking Him for help. This practice is called hibodedut. I find it very healing.
This is one of the worst lies you have printed to date and I demand your source. But first I give you mine Israel means - the son of Yitzchak who gave birth to twins, Jacob and Esau (this is all in Genesis). Jacob, after wrestling with an angel and winning is told by that angel that "no longer will your name be Jacob, but rather Israel for you have wrestled with man and angle and won." In Hebrew, the etymology makes it work. It can also be an acronym for "There are 600,000 souls (of Jews)" (again, only in the original language). Once Jacob had his 12 sons, the 12 tribes - they were called the sons of Israel. After his passing, the brothers and their families who had previously gone down to Egypt to dwell because of the famine in their land, were simply referred to as Israel as a sign of reverence by the Egyptians towards their alien population and their great forefather. The Hebrew word Israel has no relevance whatsoever for annointed. The only world that really does in Hebrew is moshiach, which sometimes you guys write as messiah. That means anointed. As Jews, ee don't hold that the C***st character was annointed. Now please sir - your source.
I did say it had no connection. The word is a matter of semantics. As I follow a yogic path, I undoubtly came across it while reseaching that. Its been better than 30 years ago so I have no source to offer. I've come across vague references online but have been unable to find it. My recollection is as I described it. Some say Jew, but I think the word "Israelite" is the one I read about. It's a spiritual title. One that belongs to no religion. It most likely referred to people in ancient Israel who were spiritually enlightened. It didn't matter if they were Jewish or not, but the writer thought highly enough of them to bestow the term Israelite because thats where they lived. People in ancient times were often named after the place they came from. There were tribes and kingdoms in this land long before Judaism itself was born. I suspect what I read was indeed before the creation of the religion itself. Hinduism and Judaism appeared on the world stage almost at the same time. As yoga was born from Hinduism, my research into these early beginnings is what turned up the word in question. x
Understood - but I had to ask as I have never heard this before and I know the original word in the original language. Just to give you an example - the break down of the word as it is used to describe Jacob's wrestling with the angel is like this: Isar - means "he wrestled" El - is one of the names of G-d Together, Isarel - but in Hebrew it sounds like Israel.
As you intend to return to Israel someday, you should read this: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/12/the_changing_face_of_israel/ I know its fact because two of my local Jewish friends (mother and daughter) left Israel for this same reason. Something to ponder. Would you want to raise your children in this environment? You're better off where you are. x
Dude, with all due respect the these United States - this place is worse than hell. The government is corrupt, the economy sucks, the people lack morals. Hello - a few months ago, gays were allowed to marry and I'm sure this will happen eventually. I don't accept many doctrines in the Constitution and this makes life for me very difficult here. Also, I don't accept capitalism as being superior to socialism. And pop culture here is so pathetic - in Israel, even pop culture makes you think about life. It is a far more open society with no political correctness - which you know I hate. Everyone serves in the army and we all love the land - no matter what our background. There are over 1 million Arab citizens and even though we are a young country still going through growing pains, we are a beautiful example of people getting together. This is the tragedy of the media - all you see are stories of attacks. There are so many Israeli Arabs that are good friends with Jews. And Ethiopian Jews and Russian Jews. It is a real melting pot. Sorry, friend - this country has nothing to offer a spritual person and it never has.
Your blessed homeland is a vile apartheid state. Live this illusion of milk and honey if you want, it's going to come crashing down around you someday. In fact, I predict that someday zionists are going to be hunted down just like the nazis were. There's going to be alot of Americans among them. You're guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. At some point, the non zionists of the world are going to make you pay for it. x
I'm guilty of war crimes? Go ahead and list the crimes I've commit Senator Mcarthy. It's people like you who give good, G-d fearing white people a bad name, you loser. How dare you accuse me of being guilty of war crimes! On a public forum. Dude, if I wasn't so opposed to friviouls law suits, I would take you to court on libel. And I would win and you would have to take down that absurd comment. I am a law abiding citizen at all times. Jews take the law very seriously, you should know. It says in Pirka Avos "have reverence for the law of the land - without it, people would swallow each other whole". And after meeting someone like you who slanders people with no grounds, I can see why. You pathetic loser. If you ever slander me again, I will take you up on it and report you to Skip. And keep your stupid prediciotn sto yourself. You don't even believe in G-d - how can you be a prophet, genius. Just keep waiting for next word of your hero David Duke. And stick to stornfront with these types of absurdfully hateful comments. No one here in Jewish forum cares about you at all and we all know you have no idea what a Jew is. Your ignorance might be bliss, but the fact that I have to constantly correct your lies is getting a little old. Even my friend Elyiahu has given up on you. I'm getting close - why argue with a fool when fools can't be taught. You have proven this point to me time and again. This is why most people don't bother replying to your nonsense anymore. You might slander us or just makeup random bull---- you found on the neo nazi site. Get a life, dork. Your hate is not welcome here.
Wow, you are ridiculously sensitive. You couldn't sue him for libel... How was that statement damaging to you in any way? We all know that you personally didnt commit crimes against humanity, but rather, it is the causes that you support and the agenda that you push which is hurting so many. And, how exactly is Xexon being racist and hateful? I hear nothing but logicality in his words. They make sense to me. Why should you be able to tongue-lash him because he speaks out against your "people" from forcefully taking over your supposed "home-land." I am still under the conception that the Israelites were not supposed to be entitled to the holy land until the coming of the Kingdom of God. Care to teach me? You sound very conceited in the last post. It reminds me of a saying I once heard. "Only when one learns to control oneself, does one ever lose the need to control others."
Dude, we are going in circles here. Do you forget what you read yesterday. I have stated several times that you are correct - there will only be a G-dly ordained Jewish State in the land of Israel when the messianic redemption unfolds. And that can only happen when there is no more warfare and an end to global economic disparity. Until then its a few Jews and many radical X-ians trying to play G-d in the middle east. This is getting stupid. I type the same things everyday and you ask the same questions everyday. And I would reseach the laws of libel before passing judgement. My best friend is a Harvard educated lawyer and we have disucced this many times and there is no doubt I would win the frivilous law suit. Of course with a loser like Xexon, what would be the point? To sully his already tarnished name? I have far greater things to do with my time, friend. I know I sound concieted. I have done much actual research (not cutting and pasting links) and know what I am talking about. For people like Xexon, this is too much to handle. And his ignorance gets brought out into the light. May G-d Almighty bless you in all that you do.
I'd rather talk to a wall than talk to Xexon - the fall has a higher chance of retaining information. And a wall will never simply ignore everything you say and then cut and paste a nazi site as a form of "valid" response. In short, a wall is a better listener, a tad more honest and a little smarter...But - we're supposed to love all of Hashem's creatures. Ze ruck boosha she who mamzer colkach gadol v'who sone'e et kol ha'yehudim, u'af'echad lo omer lo shoom davar al hasina hazot...
