What on planet earth are you talking about? Anyone who raises his hand in anger will not see this kingdom. When Moses our teacher, peace be on him, raised his hand in anger, crushed the molten golden idol, and killed the people responsible, together with his tribe (of which I am a member) believe me, he earned an eternal reward in the world to come. When Eliyahu the prophet raised his hand in anger at the worshipers of Ba'al and challenged to a showdown, mocked them publicly - and won - believe me he, too, earned an eternal share in the world to come. This Xian notion that there is no room for anger in the service of G-d is laughable. I suggest you stick to your pig eating freinds in the X'ian forums. True Judaism is far above your head. May G-d Almighty bless you in all that you do. And what in the world does "Israel is a belief" mean? Israel is the name of my nation, the sons of Israel (Jacob) or just Israel. If you mean the secular state, I still have no conception what on earth you are trying to convey. Please practice your lucidity so I we here on the Jewish forums don't have to waste our time making heads and tails with your worthless ramblings.
You're a member of this "tribe" huh? So you're saying you're an actual semite and not the European Khazar convert flavor of Jew that almost all zionists are. Judaism is a religion dude, not a people. Further, I am not a Christian, nor do I eat pork. If you knew me better you'd know that already. I have no use for religion because quite frankly they do nothing for the world but stir things up. Its got you stirred up right now. Another sign zionism is at work. It incites. x
Your a real loser, besides being ignorant. I'm surprised you abstain from pork. Please, I don't troll in the X-ian section, leave us alone. We don't need your ignorace around here, friend. Go make up another conspiracy or something.
Is this your wisdom or did G-d Himself declare to the Jews at Mount Sinai "Thou shall not kill?" Just wondering...
כל עוד בלבב פנימה נפש יהודי הומיה ולפאתי מזרח קדימה עין לציון צופיה עוד לא אבדה תקותנו התקוה בת שנות אלפים להיות עם חופשי בארצנו ארץ ציון וירושלים And this is the hope that I sing proud.
I don't troll. I engage in what I hope will be intelligent conversation. Then somebody gets emotional on me. We're disussing an issue that rubs you the wrong way. It pushes your buttons. It brings an unfavorable light to something you subscribe to. It threatens who you see yourself to be. If you're a zionist, it threatens what you are. You're not threatened because you're Jewish, you're threatened because you're a zionist. Radical zionism is the biggest hatemagnet Jews have in the world. Get a hint. It's your own poisonous ideologies that are bringing Israel and Jews the troubles it has. Stop treating people like dirt if they're non Jewish. You might find people are more friendly if they're treated as equals. Israel doesn't belong to any religion. It belongs to the people. ALL of them. x
i'm fairly new here, and regardless of the fact that we may disagree, i know ^^^ THAT ^^^ to be a fact. With all three religions knowing the outline of the land God gave to His people, having the "CONTRACT," as it were, in each of our Holy Books, i truly don't get it. Also, i'm not sure if the command to take the land still holds, but it was to be a bloody takeover, without doubt. When everyone agrees, and everyone understands the consequences of not obeying, well... Isn't that like passive/aggressive behavior? You just don't do anything, and force the other guy to have to get ugly? Seems to me like the Jewish folks are being forced to get ugly ~ they're under orders from the Supreme Authority and must obey. Haven't they been trying, for quite a while now, to ask other folks to leave their land? Giving everyone ample opportunity to find another place? idk Maybe that's too simplistic, but... since when is simple a BAD thing?
You are aware of the Law of Free Will, are you not? Nobody has to obey God, or comply to his mandates, it is all a matter of choice. But generally, it is a bad thing to go against All That Is. And why should the Jews feel entitled to ask people to leave "their land." It is as much anyones land as it is theirs, and they are in no place to ask anyone to leave. Think of the golden rule, "Treat others as you would like to be treated." That isnt very becoming of them, now, is it?
i'm not sure if you actually don't realize this, or if you're baiting me... The "Golden Rule" is from the New Testament. The "Eye-for-an-eye/tooth-for-a-tooth Rule" is from the Old Testament. If three separate and different religions all believe the same thing ~ that God gave a certain piece of land to His people ~ and know precisely where that land is, then everyone knows that the folks that are there, and shouldn't be, are squatters. Do you believe that the owner of a piece of land has the right to run any squatters off their land? We do, here in Texas. We also believe in defending our land. And here's the thing ~ ANY Bible you pick up? You'll find the contract regarding that land. ANY Torah you happen to peruse? You'll find the contract. ANY Qu'ran you can get a translation of? You'll find the contract.
The irony of what you just said, slayed me. You do realize that Texas was once part of Mexico, until white skinned invaders from Europe arrived? They had a bigger stick. That's all. In the eyes of some, you are the squatter. And this is the key to understanding the plight of the Palestinians. Jew and Arab alike. Things were rough, but could be endured. There was a tribal law among people of that day. Before zionism. Since modern zionism came about just over a 100 years ago now, there has been nothing but bloodshed. It is a baptismal of blood. A blood cult. An endless war assures it's existance. The best way to do that is make a bunch of enemies out of plain sight, then tell a "people" that they are the target of hatred. That, is zionism. If you understand what a computer virus is, in relation to your operating system...then you understand what zionism is to Judaism. A virus. And one that now has deep hooks in the government of the United States. "Somebody", should sound the damn alarm. x
One rather major diff ~ no where, in any Bible, is any mention made of God giving this country, or this state, to us. Okay, so here i am, in Texas. A thundering herd of Mexican citizens come over the border. They find all different places to live, on what appears to be abandoned land, and they live there for years and years, until they actually start thinking of it as their land. And THAT's the problem. Every one of those folks KNOWS that that land belongs to the Jews, and now that push is coming to shove, they are crying about being thrown off of what they've come to consider Their Land. i'm sorry, but regardless of how they feel, it isn't. Here in Texas, (and the rest of the civilized world, i would hope) if a guy is trespassing on somone else's property, they have to move. If they refuse, then they are forcibily removed. If they start getting violent about it, they are forcibily removed with weapons, and some of the "removal" ends up being people's deaths. If you've read even some of the Old Testament, you know that bloodshed is a continuing theme, so to speak. God has, many times, instructed the Jews to kill entire societies of people. Because the Jews didn't ~ perhaps they didn't think God meant everyone , or that God would never condone war , or whatever ~ they disobeyed by being soft-hearted, and not following His instructions, to the letter. About the "endless war" ~ i wonder how much warmongering the Jewish people would be doing if they were given BACK what is rightfully theirs? i hate to tell you this, but it really sounds to me like the Jews are finally fed up with the situation, and ready to take back what is theirs. i have no problem with that, and in fact, would help in any way i could, because what's happening is that the "squatters," who know FULL WELL that the land isn't theirs, are just sort of sticking their tongues out at the true owners, and pretty much DARING them to "Come and get it," while crying to the rest of the world about how put-upon they are by having to leave. Good Grief! Here in Texas, we wouldn't mess around with squatters for years ~ we'd go out, have a couple of shots, a couple of beers, tell 'em to pack it up and move it out, and if they didn't, we'd encourage 'em with with a couple MORE shots ~ of lead. Xexon? Is it that you don't believe that the land does, indeed, belong to the Jews? Is there some reason that you don't think they should have it? Or is it just the way that they're going about getting it back?
I don't believe in the God of your faiths. I have no further need of faith. Jews are followers of a religion. That's all. They are NOT a "people". Why should followers of a religion be given their own country? The Mormons tried that here in the west as you'll recall. The very idea that land is more important than the people that live on it is flawed thinking. No one religion owns Israel. It doesn't belong to the Jews just because a book written by Jews says it does. Israel belongs to those that inhabit it, irregardless of what faith they follow. Those that endorse the idea that Israel is a Jewish homeland decreed by God should keep on walking. The evidence today says that non Jews in Israel are second class citizens. Have been from day one. Even as a Christian, you would have a second class status there. But they will gladly take your money in the tourist trade. Did I mention we already give them around 3 billion dollars this year alone? They've had this silver spoon for all 60 years of their existance. At your and my expense. Smart people, these zionists. x
I dont know why you keep insisting that this God of yours keeps telling you that killing is good. Have you ever thought that peoples minds can be tainted, and other things can creep into our minds and assume control of us, other than the Creator? Everything is not as it seems. I personally think that it was the Reptilians that urged so many people to kill in the name of "God," because the loving and merciful god that I know, would not require someone to take another life. Have you forgotten the Ten Commandments? Why would God set out these guidelines, then tell his "people" to go out and murder women and children? It sounds like a cop-out to me.
You really think you're capable of intelligent conversation. Wow, dude - it's time for a reality check. You're not even close. Cutting and pasting links isn't intelligence. Thinking you're smarter than the UN in 1948 (why should the Jews have a state) isn't intelligence - it's called arrogance. Nothing rubs me the wrong way, dork. You mean nothing to me, your an intellectual infant and you're so filled with meaningless hate, G-d must regret the day he bore you. I'm not threatned by you and I thought I made the perfectly clear in the other thread. Again, come to NYC and we'll meet up. I promise. I'm not a zionist, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you let your hate lead to to cut and paste random links all day long in an attempt to come off as some who has ever read text books in their lives instead of using wiki. Dude, get off line and get a life. Many people are saying it's a much better alternative. And I'm one of them. People treated as equals? What part my "My sons, my first born Israel" don't your understand. G-d treats the Jews different than any other people on this planet and He can do whatever he wants. Get over little self and let G-d into your life, Xexon. He is the one blessing you with life - why not thank Him for it instead of hating His cherished people who He calls, "A nation of priests".
Go ahead, cook in your own juices. I've watched lots young men like you run onto the battlefield of life never to be seen again. When you get over your emotional state, you might notice that I have nothing against Jews. Either the culture or the religion. My beef is with radical zionism, and it's deep roots into the government of the United States. The fact that the US funds these kosher nazis chaps my hide. It's really that simple. I intend to lend a hand in stopping it. The pen is mightier than the sword, youngster. x
Youngster? - get over yourself. I am far more educated than anyone like you. What was the last text book you read? What was its date of publication? And what was the last historical analysis you read that wasn't from an American? Look, Xexon, I could care less about you or your distorted view of the world. Who cares about zionism when in the Congo, about 5.4 million people died in the first and second ongenese wars from about 1990-1998? And in America, how much did we hear about that? Your little governmnet has a great way of filtering the information to make it look like Iraq is more important than Congo. Why - no oil? Black people are less than semetic people? Give me a break - it's pathetic. They didn't have one effort here to step in and send a peacemaking force during that time. And they bitch and wail over 6 million in the holocaust? 5.4 is pretty close to 6 - and they knew exactly what was going on - and they did nothing about it. Sheer incompetence. You want to be the police of the world, USA? You better learn to treat every man the same. Get over to the Congo right now - they are still fighting. Help ease the flooding in Vietman. Help with the current drought they are getting over in Ethepoia. Don't just pick and choose who and when you help others. That's just wrong. And when you base it off of skin color oil - that's just barbaric. But keep worrying about a small strip of land where only a few hundreds of people die every year. Yeah, that's as important as Congo - sure pal.
The Holocaust has already been proven to be less than 6 million. You need to update your figures in light of modern research. If you have such a problem with this country, why are you here? I'm not concerned about the Congo. They don't have nuclear weapons like Israel, which has NEVER allowed international inspection of it's nuclear facilities. In fact, Iran has been more cooperative than Israel has ever been regarding these inspections although AIPAC can't shut up over Iran. Their website is nothing but a continuous drone of propaganda attempting to start yet another war, with the US doing the fighting for them. Again. You need to face some hard facts, o' educated one. The first is Israel cannot survive without US support. Should Americans get a taste of your kind of attitude regarding them, watch support fall away, and watch Israel's neighbors start to move in a little closer. Your world will come to an end in a single day. Because you wouldn't listen to people like me who are trying to tell you that this zionist system is going to get you killed. You have obvious pride in being a Jew. Yet, you have failed to see the infection that is weakening Judaism itself. The very core of what you hold dear is being replaced by this supremacist movement. How can you be so well educated and not know this? Zionism is NOT Judaism. x
