Zendik

Yeah, I wonder if they dug up Wolf's body to take with them when they moved to WV. Seems like it would be a desecration to them to allow their "great philosopher and prophet's" body to be used as fertilizer for the green on the 18th hole of a golf course, doesn't it?

But then again, if it was just a money-making scam all along and Arol's just continuing to milk it, they may not care.

 

Zendik systematically breaks up incoming couples for indoctrination purposes. They bar couples from sleeping together and tell them that they need to sleep with other people. Then they publicly humiliate one or both of the lovers for showing any signs of jealousy (the Zendiks believe in a sort of psychic sublimation-- if your cat scratches someone, it's because you harbor hostility toward that person).

When you strip their practices of the whistles and bells (pseudoscientific/quasiphilosophical justifications, superstitious "spirituality", loaded language), you get such a disturbing picture that it's hard to imagine anybody surrendering their will to the Zendiks. You're not "asking permission" to have sex.. you're.. um... simply required to "run it through" somebody... somebody who can tell you "no"... and if you don't obey you'll be kicked out immediately... and we're keeping your money and your boyfriend, who we've managed to brainwash... unlike you, you cynical holdout...

Which is probably why they don't disclose this stuff before they've got your car.


Alternatives to Zendik exist, but not in the convenient package that Zendik claims to be delivering. That's why they (or any other totalist group) can be so attractive-- they claim to have achieved utopia, and young, desperate idealists leap in with blinders on.

Your posts are great, Greenhornet. I'm trying to think of somthing to add to the peacocks on the "plus" list of Zendik Farm's (actual) offerings. Nothin' yet. A zendik alternative site would be awesome!

And here's a really excellent piece about "inward-turning" communities (specifically Zendik, but they're far from unique)... crucial stuff to consider:
http://www.geocities.com/theangryearth/collective.html

 

Heheh, I take too long to write my posts...

Wow, I'm glad you escaped a zendik fate, amberfilter!

I thought that the Tecca Zendik thing in 2002 would have brought Zendik Farm some news coverage, but apparently they're still off the radar. And this from a group that says they want to overthrow the government and burn the constitution!

Lame!

 

60m@cbsnews.com <--- that is the email for sixty minutes. I suggest as many people who can should email them and link to this thread so they can read everything.


I am still in shock over what a bunch of fakes they are... and I am not that naive a person, I've just had times in my life where I felt there may have been no other way.

ps - In reply to what they do to couples RL - I was gonna go there..... *with* my boyfriend *faint*(and if any place in the SE united states was open to homosexuality I figured they would be, what a dissapointment)(just incase that comment confused anyone I am female).


If Wolf had any substance to his philosophies I bet he would be rolling around in his grave right now (causing some country club lock jaw to miss par hehehe)(I started out liking Wolf and questioning Arol but after hearing what he said about someone's breasts - I don't know if anything real ever got past his ego).

yes, a zendik alternative site would be a good thing... reiterating what someone else said, like-minded people are probably the ones who have stumbled upon zendik, and even though to some part they have been exposed for what they truly are, those who have considered it I'm sure still would like to connect with others who aspired to creative non-competative living but without the corruption.

Greenhornets delineation of the deal with the Zendiks was really well put.
Incredibly accurate... however I am still left with this kindof empty hope.
" I think the greatest Zendik discouragement is that we, or at least I wish so much that there was a close-knit rural clan of honest, sincere, loving people out there who strove to save the planet and all that dwell here." -GH

 

I want to say something about the unbearable pain of being keenly aware of injustice while feeling powerless against it, but I don't know how..

Or I just did..

The need to act is deeply frustrated by its own urgency-- you want to change the world, but where do you start? Moving to the country with an isolationist group like Zendik Farm isn't going to change anything (except your ability to think for yourself). "Lifestyle changes" (I hate that term, but it's all I've got) are crucial, but they won't stop your burning desire for a positive global transformation.

I recently saw an excellent documentary film about the 1960s/70s radical group The Weather Underground (titled The Weather Underground) which addresses the frustrated desire for social change, and takes a look at the demise of sixties revolutionary counterculture from a unique perspective. It asks questions we still can't answer. And it's available on video! Convenient! I recommend it!

 

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I’m not sure what you have to do to establish a website, but that may be a good start to debunk the Zendik Farm on the Web and also bring people who were interested in Zendik in contact with each other. I do agree with the Zendik assertion that most people in this society live in relative isolation, but I’m not sure putting everyone on a farm is the solution (certainly not THAT farm!). I think it would be great to communicate with kindred people.





The best thing we can do in regards to the Zendik farm itself is to warn would-be Zendik worker ants what they’re in for if they go there. This would help cut off their supply of people to exploit and otherwise mess with. If nothing else, it’ll save people like Amberfilter from being enslaved to help build yet another Zendik complex and being utterly let down in the process. There simply have to be more options than IBM or the Zendik farm, and if there aren’t, then we need to create some.





I like Red Lentil’s comment about “the convenient package that Zendik claims to be delivering. That's why they (or any other totalist group) can be so attractive-- they claim to have achieved utopia, and young, desperate idealists leap in with blinders on.” I think that really illustrates the situation well. The Zendiks say “come here and we’ll give you utopia,” and that’s a problem because any “packaged” society is bound to be totalitarian, which in reality appeals to conformist types like Gyre, who was the quintessential Zendik fanatic when I was there, but ends up horrifying anyone who can think for themselves.





I am curious about the “Tecca Zendik thing in 2002” that Red Lentil mentioned. What happened?

 

First let me say that I'm new to the forum.

I'm looking for land in Vermont and NY to start building an eco village. I spent the whole summer there and I hope it'll materialize in the next 2-3 years.
Anyway, in my search on line for alternative communities I, of course, stumbled on the Zendig farm. First I was seduced by their message but I started to have doubts when I saw Fawn's face. I don't know if it's a bad picture or not, but I know a bitch when I see one. HEr face states clearly that she's NOT a good person. She seems more than extremely self- centered and self absorbed and clearly thinks she's some kind of genius. Still I was not ready to judge the whole site by her face only. I'm glad I found this forum and the comments made by several of you, particularly red lentill. I was thinking about paying them a visit, but now I can see through them thanks to you, and I don't think I'll bother going there.

Basically it might have started well at the time the old dude started it. Even though his whole philosophy is total bogus, I believe he was decent. It's possible to dream, be wrong and incompetent and still be very decent in your intentions. But now the whole enterprise has been taken over by the dreadful widow and her daughter who surely came to the followining conclusion:
"Life is tough, and going out there to make a living is often unbearable. No way we're going to put ourselves through a 9-5 job, so unworthy of us. Why not "use" people, who wouldn't be doing anything with their lives anyway, to sustain ourselves."

That's all. America is a huge country, you will always find a certain category of people to suit your needs. If you coat it with the right stuff it'll work. From what you've all said I don't see anything else in the Zendigs but a scam to support a small minority. In this respect they're very much like any big company exploiting their workers. Zendig and Caterpillar, same fight, same principle.
Has any of you checked Dancing Rabbit?

Philippe

 

Here's what I posted on Tecca.

"Tecca Zendik grew up on Zendik Farm and is now working as a model. She was nine when I lived with the group. Her naivete is no accident.

Here's a brief article:
http://www.cincypost.com/2003/03/29/wecker032903.html

photos:
http://www.missnetworld.tv/news/29.10/

and video clips:
http://www.missnetworld.tv/libya.html "

 

"You really think Wulf was ok? He spoke to me twice. Once was a comment on my tits. The other was to tell me that I shouldn't leave Zendik Farm (which was confusing, because they were kicking me out). I guess he wanted to keep my tits around."

Maybe he was not that decent after all, I had missed that.
I'm not a prude, but making comments on somebody's breasts, especially when she's a teenager is so cheap and easy.

Philippe.

 

Do they take people in that have children? If they do what kind of educational system do they use?.....if anyone knows

 

Zendik does sometimes accept people with kids (lots of photos of these kids are on their site). They seem to have gathered quite a brood. The kids are schooled at Zendik, by Zendiks. They also take in minors without guardians (I was 17 when I moved to Zendik). Nom (my Zendik boyfriend) was 15 when he joined the group-- without his parents.

I don't know what qualifications one needs to homeschool-- except that education laws vary from state-to-state. Anybody out there got the scoop on homeschooling?

In Texas, the kids had a few informal classes, of what quality I do not know (I was cajoled into teaching a couple of history lessons, and I was totally unqualified in every sense of the word). The kids spent most of their day performing physical labor. This labor was sometimes hazardous...

(more flashback music)

Zendik Farm offered demolition services to the public, and a few of the Zendik children (there were five of 'em, ages 4-15) were usually sent out with the demo crews to help tear down old houses (kids enjoy breaking stuff!). The Zendiks would salvage what they could (for later use in their own construction projects) and haul the rest to the dump. The workers on these crews wore no protective gear (other than leather gloves), and it's a safe assumption that these old buildings contained toxic paint and asbestos. And of course lots of fiberglass insulation...

Back at the farm, the salvaged material was sorted and stacked, and unusable materials (plywood, pressboard, paneling, etc.) were tossed into a gigantic "burn pile", which would be lit when it became too unruly. Ra, 12, was usually in charge of the "burn pile" (kids enjoy burning stuff!), which meant that he would spend the whole day sitting next to this fire, monitoring its progress and keeping it under control. Again, he was given no protective gear.

And then there was the time that me and the kids were given the job of painting the exterior of a Zendik house with used motor oil. We weren't told that the "drain oil" (as Zendik called it) was carcinogenic, were not given protective clothing. We got it all over our bare hands, arms, clothes, hair, faces. This project took a few days to complete. I had no idea that my health was endangered.

Kids like to get dirty!

 

Here's a link about requirements for homeschooling in West Virginia (where the Zendiks are now):
http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/laws/blWV.htm

It would be great to hear from some Zendik parents!

 

It looks like the Cosmic Pizza Delivery Service has been cooking up a great big organic combination up for Arol and her lies and I bet it doesn't taste that great.

 

During my summer on the farm, they kicked Greg, a 16 year old kid who had been foisted on the farm by his parents, out because he kept hurting himself. He nearly broke his neck diving into the Colorado River, and had various bumps, cuts, and bruises. Instead of teaching him about practicing better personal safety habits, they threw him out on the street because they believed he had caused his injuries by “vibing for them.” I didn’t know they used child labor on the demolition crews. This just gets more and more outrageous. I suppose if any of the kids get hurt on these hazardous projects they blame the kid him/herself for not being in a proper relationship with the cosmos.



And that doesn’t even start to address the motor oil issue that Red Lentil describes. Imagine Zendik eco “warriors” painting buildings with used motor oil. Don’t they know that a fraction of a quart of that dreadful material can contaminate hundreds of gallons of ground water?



Not to mention the extreme waste of resourses caused by their moving every 2-5 years. The summer I was there I helped construct a large swimming pool, which required countless bags of concrete and a lot of electricity to complete. Within two years, the Zendiks were gone and that pool’s probably being used as a cattle tank, if at all. Then there’s the fuel requited to transport all of that stuff, the animals & people all over the country and the supplies required to keep building new Zendik complexes. I just don’t know where they get off claiming to be environmentalists.



It’s true, if, as the Zendiks assert, you really do reap what you sow, then the Zendik elite is in for it.

 

In the meantime, Arol and Fawn are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

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Is that Christina Aguilera?

 

Ha ha if it's not she has a twin

 

I'm pretty sure it's her... I found it on MySpace.com... it's fucked up! I'll bet a million dollars she doesn't even know what the fuck it is...