zeitgeist movie

Wow I'm glad this movie spiked a great debate

 

I watched this movie the other night, and even though it's basis as fuck and hypocritical, it still has some interesting ideas and thoughts. At first I was engulfed with the ideas, because I’ve been making some of the same thoughts on certain events. For example Part II, I know for a fact is pretty much true. I did a Term paper last semester on the 9-11 conspiracy, and never in all my life did I research anything so deeply. And from my research I now know that the twin towers were demolished in a controlled demolition, the question is who did this? Also I been thinking about the ‘historical aspect’ (if any) of Jesus Christ. The ideas presented in this film is defiantly interesting and as we all can see promote discussions. And isn’t that what this is all about, to think outside of the box, to question the truth, to connect with others by sharing ideas, to learn and become aware, and of course to spark commotion. As the director states in the statement part, ‘That being said, It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.’

I believe something big is going to happen, it’s one of those internal clock feelings, and I can slowly see it happening around me and across this forum…I’m not sure what it is but I do know it has to do with LOVE. Love, is connection; and us as mankind need to be more loving to each other and help each other out on our ideas instead of just bashing them and stating that our truth is the ‘absolute truth.’ Love is also truth; and the more truth we know about what is going on ‘behind the scenes’ in the world today the better off we will be. Truth is all you need to set yourself free. And freeing your mind is the first step.

 

I'm wondering if the lack of sufficient rebuttals to okiefreak's most recent post signifies a major ideological ass-whooping?

Or at least, a concession that all their arguments in favor of Zeitgeist chapter 1 are now dropped? (I'm looking in your direction, fedupamerican)

, I think that says it all right there...

*pounds last nail into the coffin marked "Zeitgeist Credibility"*

 

Acts 2:24
New International Version (NIV)

24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

I thought that was a pretty interesting passage that would pertain to the narrator talking about the sun conquering the night each morning.

 

I think the movie tried a little hard on a few points, but great overall. As to christians and old "borrowings", they have all of the elements of the Elder Ways, just none of the wisdom.

 

Well if you had a little thing called "reading comprehension", or cared about the TRUTH, you would know that all of the "borrowings" the movie lists have no basis in fact. So...yeah.

 

Wow, that had a little bitter sting to it lol

Fact is, you have the least original religion man has ever know, and have no wisdom as to what to do with it. It is not an organic, grassroots, folk expression of mankind, like true religions, instead it is a politically motivated hodgepodge of emptyness and falsehood....hope you could comprehend that.

 

Talk about bitter sting



Look at least I'm pointing to specific facts (lies in this case) as we all know this conversation can't go any farther solely on the basis of-


"Religion's real!"

"Nope religion's fake hur hur hur!!"



You want to say Christianity is "the least original religion man has ever known" fine...but see if you can somehow manage to point to something concrete, if that's not too much trouble for you. Some scrap of weight-carrying evidence aside from the zeitgeist movie which has already been established as fabricated information (in its claims of Christian plagiarism).

 

As far as I'm concerned, religion is ignorant bullshit no matter what pile your digging in. I couldn't care less what religious fiction was stolen from some other religious fiction! Is there any point in arguing over little facts about large fiction, I don't see what the piont is!?

It is common knowledge that the bible is debunked fiction. It is common knowledge that religion is corrupt and ethically flawed. It is common knowledge that governments are corrupt and base laws and actions on flawed religious beliefs.

Faith, especially organized faith is dangerous and will lead to destruction. Faith is ignorance. Religion is organized IGNORANCE!!

It doesn't matter if you buy an new car or a used car, if you don't look under the hood, if you just have FAITH that it will work, FAITH will always lead you to the same destination. A breakdown, a crash, a disaster, world trade center collapsing, God damned hallaucausting, Global thermal nuclear fucking warfare!!!!

That is the fucking path of FAITH!!!

 

It is "common knowledge", in a country where over 80% of the population is affiliated with religions that accept the Old and/or New Testaments, that it can't be "common knowlege" that the Bible is "debunked fiction". Are you bullshitting us again?

 

AS FAR A I'M CONCERNED, Their idiots and tools if they don't see what's stark raving obvious!!! If 80% of the population is a mindless hoard of sheep void of common sense then so be it.

Common knowledge as in the logical minds of the scientific and medical worlds. Like evolution, and the earth being billions of years old.

 

Most scientists and doctors profess relgious faith, and most also believe in evolution and an old earth (as do lots of Christian and Jewish non-scientists), without seeing any inconsistency with the Bible. It's only biblical literalists, a minority of Christians and Jews, who have problems.

 

I think you'll find that when a scientist says they are religious, it is generally a MUCH less organized, regulated, and directed sort than the general populace. Many are UU's. I actually heard a thing on NPR a while ago about how a lot of intellectuals are pagan. Not because they believe in the gods necessarily, but because they like what it stands for.

Also... http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence & religion.htm

 

And let me guess....

You fancy yourself in the 20% that ISN'T a "mindless hoard of sheep void of common sense".


Ah....to have existence all figured out.....

 

Yeah, it's funny how common sense isn't very common at all!!

 

Michael Faraday: A Glasite church elder for a time, he discussed the relationship of science to religion in a lecture opposing Spiritualism.
Gregor Mendel: Father of modern genetics, Roman Catholic monk
Owen Gingerich: Mennonite astronomer, has written about people of faith in science history
Francis Collins: Leader of the human genome project, states the importance to him of "the literal and historical Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, which is the cornerstone of what I believe."

I found all of these on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

A list of Jesuit scientists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jesuit_scientists

 

Of course, there are religious people who are also scientists (or vice versa). But generally, scientists are not that religious.

 

Yes, but I'd hardly call Dr Francis Collins, Faraday, and Mendel "less organized, regulated, and directed"...That was my intent...

 

Back to the movie.. I enjoyed it. And I enjoyed your posts, some of them really throw light on men's ignorance. Good job. We're all mistaken, errare humanum est. We hope, we believe, but we don't know. All I know is that I don't know anything at all... It's better to reject many truths than to accept one lie. It's better to doubt than to stand on one position just because it's comfortable & acceptable & u got used to it. Denying something, we deny our belief in it but it has nothing to do with reality. Let your mind be spotless... And flexible. / Once I read a short story, think about it. Someone got to Heaven. There were lots of people there. They stood. Then Buddah came. A great number was glad to see him & followed him. Then came Jesus. Most of the rest people followed him. The others went after Mahometh (not sure about the spelling). At last God came. He cried. No one left to follow Him.../ How, yeah? No film, no documentary will ever prove that God doesn't exist. Or the opposite. Such things we must learn to feel, mustn't we?

 

It was not too long ago when man had only two choices:
Be religious, or be dead !!